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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by eru on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @05:46AM (#42244506)
Well, the full scale portion of the war started in February 2022.

But you are right otherwise.

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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by casenmgreen on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @07:27AM (#42245098)
Yes. I was surprised to find out that Russia had been conducted sabotage operations against UA artillery ammunitions dumps for many years prior to full scale invasion, and the Ukrainians had already lost the majority of their artillery ammunition reserves this way by the time invasion began.
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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by Yawrehto on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @07:42AM (#42245206)
And they conquered Crimea in 2014--partially, if I remember right, to get a port that doesn't freeze over in the winter, something they have wanted for literally hundreds of years.
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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by ceejayoz on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @09:27AM (#42246049)
They already had https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Novorossiysk for that.
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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by eru on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @12:32AM (#42253233)
Yes, but Sevastopol is a better port, and any naval position in the Black Sea is less secure, when you don't control Crimea yourself.

(Russia got into more trouble than it was worth it, even by their own standards, I'd say. And that's not even getting into the moral dimensions.)

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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by int_19h on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @03:03PM (#42249435)
To be more precise, they already had the port, but were afraid to lose it to the new government of Ukraine.

This is also a big reason why Crimea, by and large, supported annexation - it has very large proportions of the population that are either active or retired Soviet/Russian navy.

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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by eru on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @12:33AM (#42253239)
The Russia Empire and the Soviet Union ran concerted efforts to Russianise the population of Crimea by various means, like moving in ethnic Russians, removing the locals (to put it mildly) etc.
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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by aguaviva on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @01:33AM (#42253524)
removing the locals (to put it mildly) etc.

Virtually the entire indigenous and otherwise non-Slavic population (some 30 percent of the total population of the peninsula) to be precise, according to this graph:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Ethnic_P...

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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by int_19h on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @01:55AM (#42253611)
The original Russian colonization of Crimea brought in many Ukrainians as well, though, so that alone did not make it lean Russian so strongly by itself. The naval facilities in Sevastopol, though, meant a lot of military personnel with their families from all over the country would come and settle in the city, and that specifically tilts the popular opinion there today strongly towards imperial Russian irredentism.
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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by casenmgreen on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:11PM (#42330756)
> This is also a big reason why Crimea, by and large, supported annexation

On what basis is this claim made?

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Re:Setelinleikkaus: When Finns snipped their cash in half to... by casenmgreen on Thursday December 05, 2024 @01:11PM (#42330748)
I think the underlying drive was more visceral than practical. "Ukraine is ours."
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