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Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by gary_0 on Saturday November 23, 2024 @02:50PM (#42223406)
The old Internet was definitely my support network, I met a lot of people I could relate to back then, totally different from "IRL people". The Internet is the opposite of that for me now. Where did all the weirdo super-introvert nerds go? Do they all feel as lonely as I do?
Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by armchairhacker on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:36PM (#42223701)
Most likely

1. Fear and embarrassment. Back then the expectation was that online you were anonymous, today you constantly hear about doxxing. People were also less aware of the consequences.Even if it's unlikely for some random person, that doesn't help introverts.

2. Outnumbered. Back then the internet was mostly weird people, so most posts including the popular ones were weird. Today, "new" and "random" are filled with spam, and "popular" is filled with posts upvoted by "normies". Weird posts and posters are still here, but they're obscured by the noise.

3. Feedback. People imitate what they see, and feel more comfortable following trends. When "normal" people see weird posts, they become weird and make weird posts. When weird people see weird posts, they feel safer and make weird posts. When normal people see non-weird posts, they make non-weird posts. When weird people don't see weird posts, they feel embarrassed making weird posts, so post non-weird or not at all.

I think 3 is the biggest factor, caused by 2. As other people mentioned, "weird" people are still on servers that are private or otherwise hidden from the mainstream (preventing 2 and 3). 1 is probably not a big factor, instead it explains why less people show their face or post identifying details.

Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by subsection1h on Saturday November 23, 2024 @04:45PM (#42224198)
> Back then the expectation was that online you were anonymous [...] Back then the internet was mostly weird people, so most posts including the popular ones were weird.

What years are you referring to when you say "back then"? In the early 90s, which was "the old Internet" for me, the best contributors to discussions on the newsgroups I followed (comp.lang.c, etc.) weren't anonymous; they were well-educated people who used their real names, including academics whose signatures included URLs like http://example.edu/~jsmith. And their posts weren't weird, at least not on the newsgroups I followed.

Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by armchairhacker on Saturday November 23, 2024 @05:17PM (#42224369)
"weird" isn't a good description. Specifically, most people on the internet back then were well-educated computer nerds, so the typical post would be more relatable to those on HN and arguably (according to those on HN) "higher quality".

These people aren't "weird" in a bad way, but in a "different than the average (less-educated, less tech-oriented) person" way.

The anonymity part probably isn't correct. But I get the impression people back then were a lot more open, at least hearing about dating sites, chat-roulette, old YouTube channels, and internet friends who met IRL in the 90s/2000s. Although I know a lot of people post on Facebook and Twitter, so maybe that hasn't changed either.

Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 23, 2024 @05:08PM (#42224318)
The cohort immediately after you described - those geeks grew up along with growth of videogame market, IMs, and birth of multi-player gaming on the Internet. People who were still geeks, and learned from all those academics and realname adults, but who also had to come up with nicknames early on, and got used to pseudonymity this way.
Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by jiggawatts on Saturday November 23, 2024 @05:15PM (#42224358)
My dad had a simpler take: The early Internet was filtered essentially by wealth and intelligence. You had to have a (relatively) expensive setup, and you had to be the type to be "on the bleeding edge" of technology. That didn't necessarily mean you were a "nerd" or "weird". This group included researchers at government labs, university professors, military, etc... Anywhere where the Internet had early adoption was over-represented. I remember NASA and CERN as significant fractions of the entire Internet in the earliest days!

I remember debates on the talk.origins usenet newsgroup with very highly educated priests, some at the highest levels of the church. These people wouldn't give me the time of day now!

In some sense it's the same filter that a University admissions process applies, and companies like Google try to reproduce.

Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by rezmason on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:24PM (#42223629)
As others mentioned, there are Discord and IRC pockets. I'm in a Fediverse community with a bunch of nerds, and many of us just met in person at this week's Handmade conference.

You can watch the entire conference here. I want to disclaim that not every attendee and talk is nerdy. It's more that this is a space where nerds are thriving.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2306676590 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2307512869

Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by jjav on Saturday November 23, 2024 @06:43PM (#42224785)
> As others mentioned, there are Discord and IRC pockets.

Ah, discord, the proprietary service that demands a phone number just to be able to read anything (so I've never been able to).

Basically the exact opposite of IRC.

Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by petre on Saturday November 23, 2024 @02:58PM (#42223451)
Niche forums and gaming communities? HN? They've grown up, some have become braiwashed by corporate culture, some have wives, kids, dogs, cats, mortgages.
Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by MarcelOlsz on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:23PM (#42223621)
The grand irony of remote work is I have way more time and money than I did back then, except the net is 'dead' now.
Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by antisthenes on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:07PM (#42223518)
> Where did all the weirdo super-introvert nerds go?

Private discords, away from the normies.

Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:14PM (#42223563)
Nah, that's just kids; adults don't have time for following a Discord per every topic they're interested in.

Then again, adult life has a way of sucking nerdiness out of people, so maybe OP's right in a way.

Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by fragmede on Saturday November 23, 2024 @05:04PM (#42224298)
some nerds have private slack or zulip instances
Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by antisthenes on Saturday November 23, 2024 @05:24PM (#42224420)
> adults don't have time for following a Discord per every topic they're interested in.

Funny, I do just that, despite having a bunch of pets and a full-time job - I follow at least 30 game-specific discords. You must be thinking of people compulsively checking notifications like a social media addict?

I feel sorry for anyone who uses Discord like that. Thankfully, you don't have to since many communities now have mini-wikis inside of the Discord to organize the FAQ/common knowledge.

Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by animex on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:15PM (#42223573)
lol not discord. we are in IRC.
Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by glimshe on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:19PM (#42223597)
Where? I miss IRC so badly, but don't know where to go there.
Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by dijit on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:35PM (#42223685)
I run a small network, but this might come across as advertising. It’s been running for 20 years now.

People come and go, but its wild how the community spirit largely remains, even with significant changes in the lifestyle of the people that have been frequenting the network for a large segment of that time.

anyway, the network is:

* ircs://irc.darkscience.net:6697/darkscience

* https://darkscience.net

* https://www.darkscience.net/webirc/

Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by MarcelOlsz on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:22PM (#42223613)
Same. I'm just 'floating around' now. Good times in #startups ages ago.
Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by behringer on Saturday November 23, 2024 @03:27PM (#42223645)
Liberal chat. We're also on discord and Mastodon.
Re:The tech utopia fantasy is over by behringer on Monday November 25, 2024 @11:36AM (#42237640)
Libera chat*