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Re:Google Spent 15 Years Concealing Its Internal Conversations by wkat4242 on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @09:13AM (#42194073)
> How much do the lawyers deserve to know?

Nothing IMO. They can look at the company's actions. There's no need to invade the privacy of individual employees.

If they were trying to confiscate my personal mobile that I use for work I will never go along with that.

Luckily I live in Europe where the atmosphere is far less litigious.

Re:Google Spent 15 Years Concealing Its Internal Conversations by marssaxman on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @05:30PM (#42198806)
> If they were trying to confiscate my personal mobile that I use for work

That is a good reason never to use your personal mobile for work! If you really need a phone to do your job, your employer should be paying for it anyway.

Re:Google Spent 15 Years Concealing Its Internal Conversations by doubled112 on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @05:42PM (#42198899)
Exactly.

People look at me like I have two heads when I tell them that my work devices are for work things and personal devices are for personal things.

There are very rare exceptions to this rule.

Re:Google Spent 15 Years Concealing Its Internal Conversations by vineyardmike on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @05:53PM (#42198988)
> Luckily I live in Europe where the atmosphere is far less litigious.

Not if your name is Google Inc.

> Nothing IMO. They can look at the company's actions. There's no need to invade the privacy of individual employees.

This refers to employees communicating in a work setting not personal communications. Not saying there should be cameras in the bathroom but if you’re talking to coworkers on an @google email about work… it feels hard to justify saying it’s private.

Re:Google Spent 15 Years Concealing Its Internal Conversations by Brian_K_White on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @06:17PM (#42199152)
People are still human beings even while at work. There is a limit to how much an employer owns a person, even when they are an employee, even when they are in the building, even when they are on the clock.

Employers try to push that as far as they can get away with, so there are current examples of employees being treated worse than cattle that should be illegal and probably is, but that is just employers overreaching and getting away with it because of the usual power discrepency.

And my point with all that is the rest of us have no right to anything the employer has no right to.

Re:Google Spent 15 Years Concealing Its Internal Conversations by wbl on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @06:42PM (#42199353)
The only thing that can be brought into court is what you did at work. What privacy interest is there in that?
Re:Google Spent 15 Years Concealing Its Internal Conversations by wkat4242 on Friday November 22, 2024 @07:26AM (#42213265)
It's not just about the court, I'm not going to let some sleazy lawyers inspect my phone. If they make me have it over I'll wipe it first.
Re:Google Spent 15 Years Concealing Its Internal Conversations by solarkraft on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @06:43PM (#42199357)
> They can look at the company's actions

This would work if we could punish wrongdoing regardless of intent, a standard probably reasonable against companies (they should know better after all). But this is not how it usually goes: Usually incompetence has to be ruled out and criminal intent has to be proven.