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Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc... by marcosdumay on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:36PM (#42166442)
There's no immediate bottleneck for reducing fossil fuel consumption. More money will translate into more effect, at most delayed by some half of a decade for any foreseeable effort.

At some point we will find a series of bottlenecks. But up to a 30% reduction (with ~100% clean electricity) it's obviously clear, and it looks doable up to ~90% (electricity, transportation, heating, and some industry converted).

Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc... by tinco on Sunday November 17, 2024 @03:04PM (#42166691)
Yeah that sounds right, I'm just wondering where the materials and the labor come from. We don't just have 5% of GDP worth of those laying around, they're currently allocated to other things. Not saying it's impossible, but it's hard to estimate the repercussions.
Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc... by marcosdumay on Sunday November 17, 2024 @03:40PM (#42167028)
Oh, certainly, if we are to make a serious effort, it requires dealocating a bit of resources from other areas.

Energy investments are some 3% of the GDP, diverting those is an almost complete non-brainier. But we'd need to get about as much from other places.

Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc... by ClumsyPilot on Sunday November 17, 2024 @03:31PM (#42166951)
> materials and the labor come from. We don't just have 5% of GDP worth of those laying around

You have to make up your mind, if you are concerned about real resources or fictional ones.

If we want to optimise for real resources we would round up all the people who’s job is to destroy real resources, like casino pit bosses and the managers of Prada and fast fashion that destroy clothing to create artificial scarcity.

And we would kick them out in the rain to do tree planting.

Climate change threatens a lot more than 5% of real reseouces - in fact what happens when the Middle East and American Midwest runs out of underground water reserves?

Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc... by defrost on Sunday November 17, 2024 @06:43PM (#42168373)
> what happens when the Middle East and American Midwest runs out of underground water reserves?

It's not a neck and neck race, what has happened is one region drains its aquifers first and then silently raids the other's ...

* https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/in-drought-stricken-ar...

* https://www.cbsnews.com/news/saudi-company-fondomonte-arizon...

Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc... by tinco on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @12:16PM (#42185822)
Those are very weirdly specific examples that don't destroy much real resources at all. What resources does a casino pit boss destroy but time? And surely Prada has one of the smallest resources to money spent ratios you could imagine? Half a calf's worth of leather for a $10k bag?

Anyway, that's what my sort of point is. Much of the GDP is spent on dumb stuff like holding stocks, gold, art and Prada bags. When you divert a percentage of that to be spent on real resources it can have major effects. Kind of like how when leisure travel became affordable for regular people, suddenly air travel and cruise ships started to have an outsized effect on climate.

Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc... by throwup238 on Sunday November 17, 2024 @06:27PM (#42168283)
The (vast) majority of labor on this planet is underutilized and there’s plenty of material still left in the ground if there was demand to extract it. There are two billion people living on subsistence farming alone whose labor could be unlocked by raising them out of poverty and feeding them via mechanized agriculture. Then there’s the massive logistics of modern militaries that could be retooled towards climate change diplomacy.

Unfortunately it’s all part of the same tragedy of the commons and coordination problem.

Re:Humans have caused 1.5 °C of long-term global warming acc... by consteval on Sunday November 17, 2024 @09:06PM (#42169095)
> I'm just wondering where the materials and the labor come from. We don't just have 5% of GDP worth of those laying around

IMO for labor, I'd say ~80% of jobs are more or less completely worthless. Many, many industries don't produce anything at all, they just move intellectual stuff from point A to point B, slap their existence on it, and shave off a few cents for themselves.