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Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by imiric on Friday November 15, 2024 @04:45PM (#42151508)
Interesting study. The performance increase on the difficult task as audience size increases is counterintuitive at first, but it makes sense when you consider how many humans excel at performing in front of large audiences.

Yet for some of us the stress of being observed and scrutinized is crippling regardless of the task difficulty. I've bombed so many interviews because of this. :(

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by readthenotes1 on Friday November 15, 2024 @04:53PM (#42151599)
The people watching were familiar to the chimps, so desire to please or pride may have overcome fear of failure.

It was also only 6 chimps and the experiments were run over many years. I bet replication is going to be troublesome.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by estebarb on Friday November 15, 2024 @08:49PM (#42153435)
Well, some people is know for only do their job when a manager is around. They behave similar after all.
Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by DiscourseFan on Friday November 15, 2024 @10:40PM (#42153947)
Apologies, I want to offer some corrections to your English.

"Some people know to only do their job when a manager is around. They behave similarly after all."

I also know some Hindi if that is a language you speak and can give you better notes, probably, with that language as well. Moving on to the notes:

-"know" is a transitive verb, so it always takes an object of its action. One must know something. When you add the extra "is" next to the verb "know," it indicates the passive, which would take an object, but none are indicated here. You could say "It is known that..." as a passive construction with the "that" beginning a new clause, but in your case it is better just to delete the "is."

-"for" is the preposition for the indirect object in English, so is "to" in many cases. I believe here you confused it with to, which can also be used to indicate an indirect object, but "to" has a number of different usages in English, whereas "for" is only used for indirect objects. It can also be used to form a complimentary infinitive, as we see here. Like, for instance "He eats to help him gain weight."

-"similar" is being used adverbial here, so it should be indicated as such by adding "-ly" to the end of the adjective. English has no cases in the same way as related languages, so its not possible to indicate adverbial usage of a noun or adjective without either transforming it or saying something like "they behave in a similar manner," where "in...manner" indicates the way in which the action is performed, like an adverb does.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by hehbot on Friday November 15, 2024 @10:56PM (#42154024)
My good man, this is the internet. Grammar does not matter as long as you are understood.
Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by DiscourseFan on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:08PM (#42154075)
My correction itself was an interpretation. The phrase was not fully intelligible to me even.
Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by yapyap on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:15PM (#42154133)
I understood it (I think), basically they were saying some people only do their job when their manager is around hence the monkeys and people aren’t that different after all.

Hope this helps

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by DiscourseFan on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:17PM (#42154153)
Its the specificity that's important. The general vibe is easy to interpret for commonly understood phrases, but often language complexity allows for subtle nuances that may be difficult to interpret if they are not properly used.
Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by m463 on Saturday November 16, 2024 @12:50AM (#42154635)
I would have thought:

> Well, some people are known for only doing their job when a manager is around. They behave similarly after all [to the monkeys].

Also, some days I wish there was a way to fix typos in restaurant menus.

Although I would still be flummoxed by "Pork Floss, Chinese Sausage Scorched Rice" (cơm cháy chà bông lạp xưởng)

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by quickthrowman on Saturday November 16, 2024 @09:19AM (#42156570)
Let’s break it down:

> some people is know

Some people are known

> for only do their job when a manager is around.

for only doing their job when a manager is around.

> They behave similar after all.

Their behavior is similar to the chimpanzees in the study.

Now, let’s put that all together:

> Some people are known for only doing their job when a manager is around. Their behavior is similar to the chimpanzees in the study.

That wasn’t so hard now, was it?

Edit: I see that the two sibling comments to mine interpreted it the same way.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by fsckboy on Saturday November 16, 2024 @01:29AM (#42154818)
>Grammar does not matter

most people who learn/are learning a foreign language appreciate getting corrections and suggested improvements. People willing to take the time and analyze and share are a valuable resource.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by prophesi on Saturday November 16, 2024 @05:33AM (#42155695)
Regardless if you're struggling with the language and could use the help, or just writing hastily, the correction is excessive and reads like an LLM response.
Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by gus_massa on Saturday November 16, 2024 @06:14AM (#42155836)
Not native speaker here. Corrections are soetimes helpful, but I prefer shorter corrections. Something like:

> "know": you should use "known" (adjetive) instead of "know" (verb).

And add more details in case the author or someone else ask for clarifications.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by sabbaticaldev on Saturday November 16, 2024 @06:24AM (#42155860)
no, we don’t appreciate fixing small typos becoming the main point of discussion in a technical forum. It was completely understandable and sounded like someone not agreeing with the content but not capable of refuting it
Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 16, 2024 @02:46AM (#42155111)
No. Grammar does matter on the Internet. So does spelling. Malformed writing takes extra effort to decipher, so even if you're understood, you may also be secretly hated for it.
Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by yapyap on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:16PM (#42154137)
> but it makes sense when you consider how many humans excel at performing in front of large audiences.

yeah but maybe these people are just as good when they aren’t in front of huge audiences..

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by WalterBright on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:16PM (#42154139)
The adrenaline from being in front of an audience helps a lot.

But when I was a beginner at it, the stress was indeed crippling.

The cure for that kind of stress is to keep doing it, the stress will go away. Like if your throat freezes up when stepping behind the podium, just take every opportunity you can to public speak.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by crystal_revenge on Saturday November 16, 2024 @02:55AM (#42155141)
> when I was a beginner at it, the stress was indeed crippling.

But that was because humans were watching you. I imagine it would be notably less stressful if you were being watched by an increasingly large population of chimpanzees instead of people.

Personally I imagine that the larger that group of chimpanzees got, the more relaxed I would feel. Just think about solving a problem in a room with 1,000 chimpanzees just chilling out and watching without a single other human in the room.

Likewise I suspect chimpanzees would perform different if watched other chimpanzees.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by Brian_K_White on Saturday November 16, 2024 @10:08AM (#42156802)
This ignores something pretty obvious.

Obviously a chimpanze recognizes humans as something like itself, and that the humans opinions matter. At the very least a chimp knows that the humans totally control it's life.

You have a very different understanding of the relationship between yourself and any group of chimps.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by n_ary on Saturday November 16, 2024 @01:53AM (#42154917)
Usually, I have become good at pretending that no one is watching. Given my seniority, I explain to the people watching that, I will first prepare something, they are free to watch, I will also write comments so they know what am thinking(unfortunately, I can’t talk and type or draw at the same time), and then I will explain. Or if they prefer, I explain and do the coding/drawing after in bursts of explain-do-explain-do.

Of course, silicon valley has taught that people who can speak and code at the same time are like best things, but if a team is not happy to accept other people’s shortcomings, am probably fine not working with them.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by andyjohnson0 on Saturday November 16, 2024 @06:23AM (#42155857)
> Yet for some of us the stress of being observed and scrutinized is crippling regardless of the task difficulty. I've bombed so many interviews because of this. :(

I feel your pain.

I had a fourth-round interview recently where I was expected to write code while narrating my thoughts to two people sitting either side of me - and while perched on a wobbly office stool at a standing desk. Couldn't think. Totally bombed it.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by phatskat on Saturday November 16, 2024 @03:31PM (#42159054)
Oh that sounds awful I’m sorry! I’ve had to do code tests in online IDEs which fine, but I use vim and so I had to write everything in vim, paste to the IDE, get the live feedback from the rendered output and make adjustments back and forth. It would’ve been fine if not for the timed aspect.

I can’t imagine adding two people, an unfamiliar desk setup, an unfamiliar keyboard even, all while talking about what I’m doing.

Re:Chimpanzees' performance on computer tasks changes when p... by Citizen_Lame on Sunday November 17, 2024 @06:26AM (#42163527)
Is, "I use vim", a computer version of I am vegetarian?