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Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by smsm42 on Sunday July 08, 2012 @12:13AM (#4213588)
Does Google regularly hold campaigns to help other kinds of employees to improve their lives? E.g., I imagine (random example), Google has a number of Jewish employees. Does Google engage in public campaign agains antisemitism, which is a real problem in some countries? Are there public Google campaigns for other equality issues, such as woman rights, religious minority rights, dissident rights, etc.?

Frankly, this is the first such campaign I hear about, and if indeed it is the only one - I tend to view it as cynical marketing exploitation of the political hot topic of the day rather than genuine attempt to improve lives of Google employees. However, if I am wrong and Google is regularly engaging in public political campaigns for the human rights causes and this is just another example - all power to them. However, it would be interesting to see the list of such campaigns - anybody knows one?

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by ChuckMcM on Sunday July 08, 2012 @02:00AM (#4213815)
I've not worked there for a while, but while I was there they did support employees who were campaigning to help folks. Basically it would work by some employee wanting to help some group that they cared about and the company would generally help them do that. So to use your example a jewish employee who might be trying to do outreach in an antisemtic environment (or country) would get support in the form of time off or use of company resources to help their program or use of a conference room to hold meetings with an outreach group Etc.

However, there were pretty clear boundaries. I did not see any White Supremacists activities or holocaust denial outreach sorts of things either being supported or tolerated. My feeling was they try to support the employee caveat the fine line between supporting an employee who has a cause and supporting the cause itself. Recall that there were Google employees participating in the Arab Spring uprisings, and while Google didn't come out and say "we support overthrowing corrupt regimes" they also didn't immediately fire any employee who was working to that end.

Of course when the press reports anything its less nuanced than what actually goes on inside the Google Plex. Sometimes that is for the best, sometimes not.

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by vibrunazo on Sunday July 08, 2012 @12:55AM (#4213687)
What about the Google Summer of Code? [1] Google invests millions of dollars every year, both in direct money and in man-hours + infrastructure in random OSS projects. Many of the invested projects are even direct competitors to Google products, most are completely unrelated to Google. But they invest in them anyway and don't make a huge PR deal about it. What about their Solar energy investments? [2] Google Lunar X Prize? [3]

Both are just examples off of the top of my head, of investments that are not directly obvious help to Google. They don't make huge PR fuss about them. (Which I suppose is why you didn't hear about them) But instead they are indirect longer term benefits to Google, in the same way that fighting for gay rights is. So this is certainly not a first time thing. They've been doing this kind of thing for years. Unfortunately you cannot help everything in the world at the same time. So you cannot rule out what they done before just because they're not helping solve specific problems.

[1] http://code.google.com/soc/

[2] http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/12/google-in...

[3] http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by smsm42 on Sunday July 08, 2012 @01:21AM (#4213735)
Summer of Code is an awesome program, but absolutely not political. I was talking about political campaigns of course.
Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by georgemcbay on Sunday July 08, 2012 @04:51PM (#4215671)
Supporting FOSS is political. It is not a hot button issue to the extent of gay rights or abortion, but it is certainly political... it only seems like it isn't because it already passed the threshold of general acceptability in our culture (it wasn't this way in the 80s and early 90s! It was a real dividing issue for the software industry).

By that same token, someday in the not too distant future support for gay rights will seem no more overtly "political" than supporting the rights of blacks or women to vote, it'll just seem like common sense. And if Google or any other company has to be "political" today to help achieve that goal, they have my full support.

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by altano on Sunday July 08, 2012 @12:36AM (#4213642)
> Does Google engage in public campaign agains antisemitism, which is a real problem in some countries?

Hmmm, anti-semetism is one thing, but it isn't illegal to be Jewish in Singapore.

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by einhverfr on Sunday July 08, 2012 @03:32AM (#4213995)
Why the difference? Jews can't get legally married in Indonesia. Marriage in Indonesia is effectively limited to Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, and Hindus. If you are Jewish, or Orthodox Christian, or pagan, or atheist, tough luck....

Also it may be practically illegal to be Jewish in Saudi Arabia (I don't know about Sabbateans, which is a sort of weird crypto-Jewish Islamic hybrid that resulted after some forced conversions).

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by Tichy on Sunday July 08, 2012 @06:14AM (#4214240)
Who says that they won't run a campaign for that? That line of reasoning seems really strange to me. How do you ever manage to do anything, if all the time you think "but why not do x instead"? You have to start with something.

Were they to run a campaign against antisemitism, you would be the first to cry out "why don't they run a campaign for gay marriage instead".

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by einhverfr on Sunday July 08, 2012 @08:13AM (#4214413)
Sure, why not. I am sure they could campaign for acceptance for eating cheeseburgers among the Jews too while they are at it. But that wasn't the point I was replying to.

Also in Indonesia, allowing same-sex marriage by law but keeping all the other marriage laws would change... exactly nothing. All marriages in Indonesia are required to be officiated by clergy of approved religions, and the approved religions are, iirc, fixed in the Constitution.

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by altano on Sunday July 08, 2012 @12:58PM (#4214982)
Google doesn't have an office in Saudi Arabia.
Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by cabalamat on Sunday July 08, 2012 @12:41AM (#4213654)
> Does Google engage in public campaign agains antisemitism

Well, regarding some of the search results for "Jew", they did put up this explanation: http://www.google.com/explanation.html

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by smsm42 on Sunday July 08, 2012 @12:45AM (#4213664)
That's not a campaign though. It's just an explanation why some search results are displaying offensive things - which is completely alright, but not what I was talking about, not even close.
Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by Semaphor on Sunday July 08, 2012 @08:07AM (#4214406)
"Google has shown great responsiveness to this issue and a willingness to consider changes to better identify extremist Web sites, so that users can still have the benefit of Google's unique search technology while being alerted when they are about to enter into a hate zone."

Still a big deal to mark results as offensive and hate speech.

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by einhverfr on Sunday July 08, 2012 @10:29AM (#4214622)
Indeed. That moves them from merely allowing people to search for messages to forming the message and framing other peoples messages.

This also makes me uncomfortable.

When so much of the information that so many people get from the internet is through gatekeepers like Google and Facebook, I think any distortion to this is deeply dangerous and hard to separate from the sorts of distortions the Egyptian state-owned media engaged in when covering the Tahrir Square protests.....

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by ufo on Sunday July 08, 2012 @01:02AM (#4213700)
Is it OK for me to be irked that they reserved the /explanation URL only for the Judaism thing, apparently precluding it from being used in similar warning in the future?
Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by cheap on Sunday July 08, 2012 @01:30AM (#4213759)
Seriously, does everyone have to be irked about everything these days? It's a URL.

I'm sure if they get a bunch of emails from gay people saying that searching for "gay hookups in San Francisco" brings up insulting images of Rainbow Stalin they'd put an explanation right up their next to their Judaism remarks.

Re:Google Announces Global Campaign To Legalize Gay Marriage by saraid216 on Sunday July 08, 2012 @01:32AM (#4213763)
> Does Google engage in public campaign agains antisemitism, which is a real problem in some countries?

I'm unfamiliar with the issue; is it a real problem in countries where Google has an office and is employing Jews at?

I'm not saying anti-Semitism shouldn't be campaigned against, but if we're arguing that Google's push is based on the interests of its employees, then that's something of a precondition.