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Re:Large language models in national security applications by bilbo0s on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:47PM (#42118963)
Or, to rephrase this as a question: Is it ethical to spam another democracy with millions of chatbots pretending to be citizens of that country—if the effect is to manipulate those citizens to [take any action advantageous to US national interest]...?

Just, Devil's Advocate, but ethical or not, that's what we should be doing and what we are doing. Every nation has its sock puppets out there, our job is to stop everyone else' sock puppets, and do everything we can to extend the reach of our own sock puppets.

Re:Large language models in national security applications by JoshTriplett on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @03:31PM (#42119418)
That's not inherently true. If there were a way to reliably destroy all the sock puppets, we should, and the world would be better off. For instance, reliable bot detection, or mechanisms by which major social networks could detect and prohibit bot-like activity that isn't labeled as such.
Re:Large language models in national security applications by exe34 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:15PM (#42119778)
charge one penny for every post. most people can afford it. bots become less cost effective and you'd be able to trace the source of funds.
Re:Large language models in national security applications by recursive on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:01PM (#42120238)
Even if they could afford it, they won't. The UX friction of charging money would send engagement off a cliff, even if the nominal charge was $0.
Re:Large language models in national security applications by hatthew on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @07:34PM (#42121635)
Only half joking, I feel like the majority of comments on the internet are garbage and not worth the time to read, and increasing friction with a nominal charge isn't necessarily a terrible thing.
Re:Large language models in national security applications by recursive on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @08:38PM (#42122041)
It's a good thing for most people, just not the "platforms" trying to show growth.
Re:Large language models in national security applications by exe34 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:05PM (#42120283)
that's why it should be mandated by law for national security reasons!
Re:Large language models in national security applications by alisonatwork on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:50PM (#42121335)
This is a nice idea, but we already know that organized criminals and state actors have no problem spending money to make money (or influence public opinion).

On top of that, social media isn't like email where a potential transaction fee increases the cost per person reached - a single post on a hot topic could get millions of views.

Re:Large language models in national security applications by idle_zealot on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:48PM (#42121317)
I don't think you understand the Devil's Advocate rhetorical device. It's not just a thing you say before you state a morally reprehensible opinion you hold.
Re:Large language models in national security applications by Sabinus on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @10:09PM (#42122499)
Imo there's a difference between propaganda promoting functioning democracy and propaganda promoting conservative-at-best authoritarianism.
Re:Large language models in national security applications by itishappy on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @07:34PM (#42121626)
Why stop there? Send missiles! Heck, send bioweapons and dirty bombs. It might not be ethical but if others doing it we might as well join 'em.

(This is sarcasm. I don't want to live in this world.)

Re:Large language models in national security applications by immibis on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @12:40AM (#42123238)
We do.