Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by ricksunny on Monday November 11, 2024 @04:40PM
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I like this approach to epistemology :) Imagine how many what-ifs it could turn up if automated & applied across the corpus of knowledge (scientific & otherwise) :) We'd have Pepe Silvio on steroids, and that I'd like to see =)
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by david927 on Monday November 11, 2024 @05:18PM
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The details of the crime seem to point to something like this.
Remember that Picasso was questioned and probably involved. One theory is that what we think is the original is, in fact, a master-copy by Picasso. The original is held privately in Florence.
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by pgalvin on Monday November 11, 2024 @05:30PM
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Unfortunately (for a fun theory), carbon dating and x-rays of the Mona Lisa have disproved that.
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by david927 on Monday November 11, 2024 @06:46PM
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There's a reason why you have connoisseurs. You can fool carbon dating by using materials from that time. I'll have to look into the x-rays and what they show, but it can be quite hard to prove art authentic with scientific methods alone.
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by PittleyDunkin on Monday November 11, 2024 @07:29PM
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It'd make a lot more sense to fake the black market copies you actually make money off of.
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by tough on Monday November 11, 2024 @08:27PM
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Unless you wanna keep the original for yourself too
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by PittleyDunkin on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @08:30AM
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That doesn't seem very smart.
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by starlite-5008 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @08:35AM
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The theft of the painting generated unprecedented publicity.
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by Retric on Monday November 11, 2024 @11:07PM
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Carbon dating was developed ~30 years after the panting was recovered.
So, the idea someone was going to the effort to use at the time 400 year old material to fool a test nobody knew as even possible, just doesn’t fit.
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by throwup238 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @12:01AM
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They wouldn’t be able to do much with an oil painting. Any old drying oil from that time period would have long ago polymerized and carbon isotopes in any new oil used to mix the pigments would be a dead giveaway.
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by Vecr on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:28AM
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He said the thief returned the original. The copies would have (supposedly) sold to people who wouldn't be able to complain without incriminating themselves.
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by pgalvin on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @11:51AM
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I was referring to the commenter’s second idea that perhaps the Mona Lisa on display today is a copy. Alas, the truth is less interesting.
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by RandomThoughts3 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:37AM
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Your post reminds me of the very underrated latest film from Orson Well, F for Fake, which is about forgery. It contains an excellent quote from Elmyr de Hory, a notorious art forger, who at some point exclaims: "Guilty? Of what? Making masterpieces?".
Re:The Heist That Made the Mona Lisa Famous
by devindotcom on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @08:42PM
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I watched it recently, interesting film for sure. In his Cape Era.
Though Peruggia claims he did it out of patriotism, I've always nursed the theory that, during its absence, the original was used as reference to create several extremely good fake versions. These could be sold as the original, since everyone knew it had been stolen, and each would think they had the real one. Then the original is returned, and the buyers are without recourse. What are you going to do, tell the police? And of course Peruggia et al would say nothing.
I suspect this isn't true, but the fun part is that it could be and no one would ever know. So I'm choosing to believe it is so.