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Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by toomuchtodo on Saturday November 09, 2024 @02:06PM (#42096218)
Europe will simply start decoupling from the US, as the US was doing with China and supply chains. The US military is already on the decline, from both a human and hardware force projection perspective.
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Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by chiefalchemist on Saturday November 09, 2024 @02:32PM (#42096364)
> The US military is already one the decline, from both a human and hardware force projection perspective

Interesting cause the budget isn't declining. Where is the money being shifted to?

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Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by chiefalchemist on Sunday November 10, 2024 @06:53AM (#42099724)
And the response to this would be what? Even more budget.

File this under: The MIC is not a conspiracy theory.

What's on the decline: The value the US taxpayer is getting per dollar spent by The MIC.

Under Obama (this is mentioned inhis 2016 State of The Union) the USA spent more than the next 10 counties combined. Most of those are allies. Gawd only knows what that stat is now. If all the spending is resulting in a decline, something is wrong.

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Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by toomuchtodo on Sunday November 10, 2024 @12:47PM (#42101445)
There is no solution, as there is no will to fix it. Once there is will, then potential solutions become relevant.
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Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by chiefalchemist on Sunday November 10, 2024 @09:14PM (#42104083)
Well it doesn't help when the traditional anti-MIC political party no longer pushes back against The MIC. Now we have hawks and hawkier. Most everyday Americans call the MIC a conspiracy theory, and have no idea its name's source was exGeneral / exPOTUS
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Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by seo-speedwagon on Saturday November 09, 2024 @04:20PM (#42096972)
I’m not trying to pick on you specifically but that is precisely the kind of neoliberal thinking that has caused such rot in the US (and more broadly, western) military.

Is spending a lot of money the goal or the measurement here? If your goal is actual effectiveness, then things such as force structure, results in recent conflicts, production rates, etc. are what you’d measure. If your goal is funneling money to capitalists then yeah sure budgets and adherence to “%GDP spending targets” from your vassals is what you’d measure.

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Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by MountainMan1312 on Sunday November 10, 2024 @03:06AM (#42099035)
This is the capitalist empire. Funneling money to capitalists might not be the only goal, but it's no less than goal #2.
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Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by chiefalchemist on Sunday November 10, 2024 @06:57AM (#42099731)
It's not the spending that's causing the rot, it's the receiver of a good chunk of that spending. Prez Eisenhower said it best... Beware of The MIC.
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