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Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by hunglee2 on Saturday November 09, 2024 @01:51PM (#42096133)
This is the sort coercion which will make the EU regulators know where real power lies. For too long EU extra territoriality has penalised US companies, which have just been eating the fines and then producing onerous localisations to stay under EU compliance. With Trump 2.0, the EU will have to bend the knee
Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by toomuchtodo on Saturday November 09, 2024 @02:06PM (#42096218)
Europe will simply start decoupling from the US, as the US was doing with China and supply chains. The US military is already on the decline, from both a human and hardware force projection perspective.
Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by chiefalchemist on Saturday November 09, 2024 @02:32PM (#42096364)
> The US military is already one the decline, from both a human and hardware force projection perspective

Interesting cause the budget isn't declining. Where is the money being shifted to?

Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by chiefalchemist on Sunday November 10, 2024 @06:53AM (#42099724)
And the response to this would be what? Even more budget.

File this under: The MIC is not a conspiracy theory.

What's on the decline: The value the US taxpayer is getting per dollar spent by The MIC.

Under Obama (this is mentioned inhis 2016 State of The Union) the USA spent more than the next 10 counties combined. Most of those are allies. Gawd only knows what that stat is now. If all the spending is resulting in a decline, something is wrong.

Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by toomuchtodo on Sunday November 10, 2024 @12:47PM (#42101445)
There is no solution, as there is no will to fix it. Once there is will, then potential solutions become relevant.
Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by chiefalchemist on Sunday November 10, 2024 @09:14PM (#42104083)
Well it doesn't help when the traditional anti-MIC political party no longer pushes back against The MIC. Now we have hawks and hawkier. Most everyday Americans call the MIC a conspiracy theory, and have no idea its name's source was exGeneral / exPOTUS
Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by seo-speedwagon on Saturday November 09, 2024 @04:20PM (#42096972)
I’m not trying to pick on you specifically but that is precisely the kind of neoliberal thinking that has caused such rot in the US (and more broadly, western) military.

Is spending a lot of money the goal or the measurement here? If your goal is actual effectiveness, then things such as force structure, results in recent conflicts, production rates, etc. are what you’d measure. If your goal is funneling money to capitalists then yeah sure budgets and adherence to “%GDP spending targets” from your vassals is what you’d measure.

Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by MountainMan1312 on Sunday November 10, 2024 @03:06AM (#42099035)
This is the capitalist empire. Funneling money to capitalists might not be the only goal, but it's no less than goal #2.
Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by chiefalchemist on Sunday November 10, 2024 @06:57AM (#42099731)
It's not the spending that's causing the rot, it's the receiver of a good chunk of that spending. Prez Eisenhower said it best... Beware of The MIC.
Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by belter on Saturday November 09, 2024 @02:21PM (#42096297)
Trump will help make 2025 the year of the Linux Desktop in Europe. You heard it here first :-)

These pressures will finally push the EU to drop Office and Windows...

Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by Terr_ on Saturday November 09, 2024 @02:26PM (#42096334)
Yeah, just like how the people behind Brexit managed to deliver on their promises of massively favorable new trade terms for the UK.

We'll just force the EU to do what we want or else we take our business to China! Meanwhile, we'll force China to do what we want or else we'll take our business to the EU! Plus we can throw Canada and Mexico into the mix, and show them who's boss.

There is absolutely no way this genius "alienate every viable major trading partner simultaneously" strategy could ever fail. I mean, even if other countries somehow exhibit more intelligence than a turnip and compare notes, this is America! We don't need 'em! We'll just trade with nobody and get super rich until they come begging to our feet.

Sadly, I fear the above sarcasm is closer-than-not to what some freshly-appointed folks are gonna try to do.

Re:Vance: US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to ... by throwgfa on Sunday November 10, 2024 @05:02AM (#42099388)
You know Britain is irrelevant power, right?