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Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday November 07, 2024 @08:06PM (#42083068)
> yet I can see a future where humans are barred from driving

Increase the unsupervised driving age to 18 (unless in an area with no robotic transport) and massively increase penalties for driving infractions. As in you lose your license on your second DUI or third at-fault collision, reckless-driving ticket or cell phone violation. (Maybe make a DUI count as two infractions for the second list.)

Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by ThunderSizzle on Thursday November 07, 2024 @08:57PM (#42083356)
People drive with a suspended license all the time. How else are getting to your job? Getting groceries?

We pretend like driving is only a privilege, but it's more necessary than most rights that OSHA or other agencies have "discovered".

Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:21PM (#42083480)
> People drive with a suspended license all the time

And if they’re not getting in accidents more frequently than population, that’s fine. I didn’t include this common citation for good reason.

> How else are getting to your job? Getting groceries?

Calling (or buying) a robotic car. We’re looking decades into the future when manually piloting a car is a privilege. (Or less than a decade in cities with public transit.)

If you’re driving drunk, hitting things, recklessly speeding or texting while driving, you shouldn’t be driving. We tolerate it, extraordinarily, because driving is almost a right in America. What’s changing is it’s going from a necessity everywhere but New York to a necessity where there isn’t Uber.

(In practice, at least from the few folks I know close to the incoming White House, it will happen through increasing liability for insurers. Nobody will be banned. It will just become expensive to human pilot. Or, if your FSD or equivalent isn’t engaged, hard to dispute fault.)

Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by Dylan16807 on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:36PM (#42083557)
> Calling (or buying) a robotic car.

If it's cost effective, sure.

Until that's significantly cheaper, people need to drive.

> increasing liability for insurers. Nobody will be banned. It will just become expensive to human pilot.

Why would human driving insurance cost significantly more than it does today?

Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:39PM (#42083576)
> Until that's significantly cheaper, people need to drive

Not in cities, even today. That region is simply broadening.

Public car insurance for poor, risky drivers has zero popular appeal. This will happen gradually then quickly.

Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by Dylan16807 on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:41PM (#42083582)
I didn't mean everyone, I meant it was the typical case.

And it's only some cities where it's similarly or more affordable to not have a car. Not nearly as many as it should be.

Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by kube-system on Friday November 08, 2024 @12:44PM (#42088793)
That sounds like a nice future if we can get there... but if we look at recently observed trends in the US, the increased barriers to driving a car in recent history has probably resulted in lower rates of legal compliance, rather than better driving behaviors.

The risk of hit-and-run accidents, uninsured drivers, and unlicensed drivers on the road are increasing.

While public transit could be a great solution, much of the poorest in the US cannot afford to live in places with good public transport because these areas have higher housing costs.

> We tolerate it, extraordinarily, because driving is almost a right in America.

Partially. But even the laws we do have are currently being ignored, because rates of compliance are so low that it isn't even practically feasible to enforce the law. In several US states, more than 20% of drivers are driving around without insurance. The underlying problem here is beyond what can be solved merely with enforcement.

I'm hopeful it eventually happens, but I think we're a very long way from a world where someone in small-town Mississippi can ride around in a robotic car on a McDonalds wage.

Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by bradleybuda on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:32PM (#42083531)
It’s hard to get your license suspended! You have to severely screw up, usually more than once. If you depend on a personal vehicle for your livelihood, you should avoid it!
Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:53PM (#42083651)
Going out on a limb and guessing people for whom losing a vehicle is existential have the same executive-function issues as someone who will get their license suspended and then drive on it. (Also, poverty. Registration and renewal costs money.)
Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by rascul on Thursday November 07, 2024 @10:18PM (#42083768)
Depends a lot on jurisdiction. Was pretty easy for me to get my license suspended twice in Maryland some decades ago.
Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by davkan on Friday November 08, 2024 @02:21AM (#42084929)
You can get your license suspended in many places from nonpayment of parking tickets or even something completely unrelated to operating a vehicle like child support. Its not just getting points on your license from a bunch of speeding tickets.
Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by occz on Friday November 08, 2024 @06:52AM (#42086119)
This is a problem you solve not by sacrificing the lives of others, but instead by designing built environments not dependent on driving cars.
Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by ThunderSizzle on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:17AM (#42114615)
Well, that's nice and all for the future, but it doesn't buy someone groceries today.

That problem isn't a hard concept. You have to work with the framework that currently exists.

Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by Mawr on Saturday November 09, 2024 @02:59AM (#42093150)
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

I understand how bad the reality is in the US, but public transportation is a solved problem.

Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by delta_p_delta_x on Friday November 08, 2024 @02:39AM (#42085017)
> As in you lose your license on your second DUI or third at-fault collision,

Sorry, but this is still too lenient.

People should immediately lose their driving licence with a substantial fine for being caught drink-driving—even if it's just the first time, and be permanently barred from ever getting one again. If their driving under influence causes the slightest injury to other people they should receive a substantial jail sentence, and should their driving cause death they ought to receive at least a first-degree manslaughter charge. I know this will sound appalling to Americans, but driving is a privilege, not a right.

If pilots have so much stricter rules about operating their machinery, so should road users.

Re:Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then stic... by mmooss on Friday November 08, 2024 @09:37AM (#42087145)
While that makes sense and I think is 'fair' - car accidents are too dangerous to be something you overlook - it's also too devestating to some people:

They will lose their jobs, and then housing, etc. People need their cars to feed their kids, do all sorts of things. And of course, they will drive illegally if they have to - wouldn't you?