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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by elif on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:53PM (#42070828)
>Drill for oil

Current admin did this at record rates

>Stop the wars that make for unstable access for gas

The US is a net exporter of energy so the instability is helpful

>Create pipelines

We have already entered the late stage hydrocarbon era. Massive imminent domain projects for a decade or two of utility are I advised

>Change the tariff

We cannot go to a pre-globalization time. Alea iacta est. The only way for tariffs to work against BRICS would be a unilateral tariff which would affect all American commerce.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ToDougie on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:04PM (#42070951)
What countries aren't using tariffs? Biden used tariffs. Biden kept Trump tariffs. I paid a tariff for my BMW. Germany was probably pretty happy about that. I liked their product enough, so I was happy, too.

Go read some Peter Navarro. He explains desperately how important it is to be protectionist (to a limited extent) with certain industries. Especially if they link to security and health of the nation. You do not want a hostile nation to make all of your pharmaceuticals. You do not want them to hold you hostage over your lack and their surplus of steel. This is basic, basic stuff.

And the whole point is that other countries are not engaging in fair trade practices. If they aren't engaging in fair trade, then they can't engage in this fabled myth of "free trade". This is literally the Trump trade doctrine. He has spelled it out and acted on it. If the CCP hadn't manipulated the price of steel to wipe out American steel producers, they wouldn't be subject to extreme tariffs. Simple, simple stuff.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by WheatMillington on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:12PM (#42071027)
Why do you think BMW was happy you paid a tariff? It means their cars are more expensive than they need to be, and therefore their volumes (and profits) are lower.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Aeolun on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:13PM (#42071644)
BMW doesn’t get the tarriff anyway. Why would they be happy about it?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ToDougie on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:55PM (#42079072)
Germany gets the tariff, and the people keep voting for the politicians who support it, so.......... I suppose the Germans are happy?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Photato on Thursday November 07, 2024 @06:29PM (#42082336)
Why on earth would you think Germany gets to collect a tariff that the US imposes on imported goods. It makes zero sense. The US collects the tariff. It's effectively an extra tax citizens pay for imported goods. It hurts the people and it hurts the companies producing the goods.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by andrepd on Friday November 08, 2024 @02:19AM (#42084919)
Guess it's not just "hillbillies" and rubes who don't know how tariffs work, it's also "very educated" people in hackernews telling us about "simple simple stuff"!
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Aeolun on Friday November 08, 2024 @06:45AM (#42086077)
Enlighten us, oh wonderful wizard. Why does Germany get taxes the US imposes?

The whole point is that people buy shit from the US by making the German stuff more expensive.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by cake_robot on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:11PM (#42071016)
Trump campaigned on BROAD BASED tariffs, not the targeted actions you're describing. Maybe he's bluffing but the effects are very different.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ToDougie on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:34PM (#42071258)
Explaining the minutia does not make for the best campaign trail rhetoric. But I can assure you, after speaking extensively in person with members of the Trump trade team, that their strategy is deep and sophisticated.

When he speaks of broad-based tariffs, he is using one of his framing techniques that he unironically explains in the Art of the Deal.

With all that said, the tariffs have me concerned, but allowing our industrial base to continue to evaporate has me more concerned.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ryan_lane on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:09PM (#42073303)
History has shown us that Trump does not have "deep and sophisticated" plans. He has campaign rhetoric that sounds good to ignorant people, and then blindly moves into that plan. The trade wars with China required a bail out of farmers and is one of the things that helped fuel inflation, for example.

> he unironically explains in the Art of the Deal

He didn't write that book. Based on his numerous failed businesses and his history of poor negotiations (Afghanistan as a very obvious example), we should be operating on the assumption that he isn't actually good at this, and pray his advisors are.

> With all that said, the tariffs have me concerned, but allowing our industrial base to continue to evaporate has me more concerned.

Then you should have been happy with Biden, who worked towards things like the CHIPS act, which moved manufacturing of critical supply chain back to America.

The economist, the financial times, and large numbers of economists have said that his plans are going to fuel inflation and will reduce GDP. Elon Musk said we should be prepared to make sacrifices. People are telling you what's coming, and that's what you should be concerned about.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ToDougie on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:52PM (#42079032)
You convinced me.

Blaming Trump for Biden giving the Taliban 80 billion dollars in military equipment is about what I expected.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by seanmcdirmid on Thursday November 07, 2024 @01:01PM (#42079111)
Trump negotiated the terms of the handover before Biden took office. It was just damage control from then on, with most of the troops already removed before day one of his term, his only option was to bring many back to secure that equipment, and the MAGA types would have blown an even larger gasket over that.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by andsoitis on Thursday November 07, 2024 @08:16AM (#42076384)
> But I can assure you, after speaking extensively in person with members of the Trump trade team, that their strategy is deep and sophisticated.

What is it?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ToDougie on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:53PM (#42079050)
Have you taken literally zero time to read anything they wrote, or watch any of their interviews? These people have books. They have been on podcasts where they go into detail. They renegotiated entire trade deals. I don't know why I'm wasting my time replying to you, but for the love of God spare people your lazy responses.