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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tayo42 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:34PM (#42069789)
Which part of the republican plan is in the best interests of the uneducated and poor?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by creato on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:49PM (#42070014)
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by jonny_eh on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:18PM (#42070378)
Except even that isn't in the best interest of anyone. Immigrants increase the health of the economy, even for the working class.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/immigrants-contribute-greatly-...

https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/north-american-century/b...

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by AlexandrB on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:45PM (#42070736)
It's possible for immigrants to both increase the health of the economy in the medium to long term and to cause localized economic pain in the short term. For those living paycheque to paycheque it's the short term that matters because they don't have the luxury to wait for the longer term effects to play out.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dgfitz on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:46PM (#42070742)
I say this kindly, you must have never worked a labor-intensive job and watched your friends(co-workers) get laid off for cheaper labor.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by komali2 on Thursday November 07, 2024 @08:55AM (#42076662)
This happens regardless. Either the factories go to different countries or the cheaper labor is imported. There's not really a way to prevent this.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dgfitz on Thursday November 07, 2024 @04:54PM (#42081519)
Hmm, tariffs and closed borders might.

I am not saying I endorse either thing, just answering your "not possible" claim. Most things are possible, few things are not.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by fuzzfactor on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:22PM (#42070438)
I would say it was the part where Elon Musk was giving out a million dollars a day . . .
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by alchemist1e9 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:44PM (#42069941)
Closing border, halting illegal immigration, mass deportations - these are massively net positive for US citizens who are uneducated and poor. Migrates are competing with them for jobs, housing, social services, all resources.

Lowering taxes especially payroll and corporate and overtime taxes has a massive benefit to them. Lower income tax rates are actually very high once it’s understood that any tax or regulatory cost that is a head tax is a tax on them - “employer taxes” is a fairy tale economically, all taxes are on the employees if they aren’t paid if you are fired, if they are still paid then they are on investors/shareholders/capital and those are also negative for growth and employment.

Ending forever wars will allow shifting of budget priorities. A reduction of just 10-15% of defense and intelligence budgets and cutting funding to Israel and Ukraine can pay for childcare for every child in the US easily.

The list goes on …

Better question is what policies did Harris propose that help the uneducated and poor?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by chipdart on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:46PM (#42069969)
> Closing border, halting illegal immigration, mass deportations - these are massively net positive for US citizens who are uneducated and poor. Migrates are competing with them for jobs, housing, social services, all resources.

If that was really the case how come you just elected the very same guy who killed the border deal?

> Ending forever wars will allow shifting of budget priorities. A reduction of just 10-15% of defense and intelligence budgets and cutting funding to Israel and Ukraine can pay for childcare for every child in the US easily.

There is no "funding to Israel and Ukraine". For Ukraine there's transfer of outdated weapon systems reaching the end of life and already obsolete, which in turn is creating jobs in the US to restock and replenish the US's arsenal. If anything, you're seeing money go into the US defense industry which ends up being the US's take on welfare and social security program with all the pork programs.

Whoever fooled you into believing people are handing over cash to Ukraine, fooled you very well.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by alchemist1e9 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:51PM (#42070041)
The border deal provided amnesty that is clearly NOT in the interests of uneducated and poor citizens.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by chipdart on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:05PM (#42070196)
> The border deal provided amnesty that is clearly NOT in the interests of uneducated and poor citizens.

You should inform yourself about the bipartisan border bill that Trump killed at the last moment. The "amnesty" thing only exists as a propaganda talking point. The bill tightened up requirements for asylum and imposed automatic deportation rules.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dgfitz on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:48PM (#42070776)
There is a link in this thread that I'll never find that refutes your point. It quotes the bill even.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by chipdart on Thursday November 07, 2024 @01:45AM (#42074118)
> There is a link in this thread that I'll never find that refutes your point. It quotes the bill even.

There isn't. Go read the bill.

Hell, the bill was co-authored by republicans, and even approved by some republicans after Trump told them to sit.

Who falls for this bullshit talking point?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dgfitz on Thursday November 07, 2024 @04:53PM (#42081501)
I tried to find it, maybe it was another thread.

In any event, I'm not saying I agree with trump that the bill should have been squashed. It just had a lot of provisions and exceptions that one could take umbrage with, if read impartially, which right now probably is a bit too tricky for half the country.

I didn't vote for the guy, I don't like the guy. I find it to be a fascinating mental exercise to hold two opposing ideas in my head without accepting or denying either. I think someone smart said that once, long time ago.

Emotion clouds judgement.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by yks on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:00PM (#42070157)
> can pay for childcare for every child in the US easily.

It can also pay for unicorns and rainbows, what makes you believe "paying for childcare" has ever been a part of Trump/Republican agenda?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by knowaveragejoe on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:59PM (#42070135)
Immigration is a net good. Even if there's now suddenly a bunch of unskilled labor vacancies, what makes you think American workers even want those jobs in the first place? What makes you think those companies can afford American workers? People aren't out of a job because some immigrant took theirs. We know this through hard data, not vibes.

We don't need to cut foreign military aid to fund childcare in the US. Reforming entitlements would get us there with more leeway and without ripping the rug out from under our allies.

Lowering taxes is a good thing, and that's about the only area you would find me in agreement upon.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tayo42 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:52PM (#42072433)
how poor is poor then? 44k is at 12% for taxes.