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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by whalesalad on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:54AM (#42065180)
stacking our court with conservative justices, stacking other courts with his appointees who are already working to throw out his criminal cases. the rollback of roe.

it's a very fucking slippery slope and everyone is too concerned with "but muh gas prices!" to think critically about the macro situation.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by valval on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:13PM (#42065519)
What makes you think people haven’t thought about those things the same as you or more, and still disagree?

I think every little life saved is an absolute victory, and many people (as demonstrated) share my sentiment.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by whalesalad on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:21PM (#42065667)
That is an issue. You posses religious conditioning that makes you believe this. If you disagree with abortion that is fine, but your opinion/stance should not be projected on everyone else in the country. The problem with this situation is religious folks are so brainwashed they can't even comprehend a situation where "live and let live" is possible, because you all think that your way is right and everyone else is wrong.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bigstrat2003 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:33PM (#42065881)
> That is an issue. You posses religious conditioning that makes you believe this.

Abortion is not a religious issue, it is an ethical issue. Some religious people are fine with abortion, some atheists oppose it.

> If you disagree with abortion that is fine, but your opinion/stance should not be projected on everyone else in the country. The problem with this situation is religious folks are so brainwashed they can't even comprehend a situation where "live and let live" is possible, because you all think that your way is right and everyone else is wrong.

This argument is a completely unworkable argument and I have no idea why people think it will hold water. Abortion opponents believe that abortion is literal murder. You can't simply go "it's fine if you don't want to murder, but you shouldn't stop other people from murdering". I understand you disagree with the idea that abortion is murder, but you need to take that idea on directly rather than trying to paper it over and say "you need to live and let live".

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by subsection1h on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:20PM (#42066730)
> Abortion is not a religious issue, it is an ethical issue.

Every person I have interacted with in nearly half a century who has expressed support for the criminalization of all or most abortions believes in the existence of souls and believes that human fetuses have souls and that it's the presence of a soul that is the basis for personhood and a right to life. Please direct me to a real person who supports the criminalization of all or most abortions and who does not believe in souls because I want them to explain to me why an unintelligent human fetus that lacks a fully formed central nervous system and any activity in its cerebral cortex has personhood and a right to life while a pig does not.

By the way, it's funny how people who say that opposition to abortion has nothing to do with religion are always religious:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38091407

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by IncreasePosts on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:26PM (#42068803)
I disagree that most people who are anti-abortion believe it is literal murder. More like "murder lite". Just ask them what the punishment for abortion should be for the doctor and woman, and then what the punishment should be for murdering a 1 year old. you'll get drastically different answers from I think 97% of people.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by 7952 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:25PM (#42066856)
Another way to phrase it would be as self defense rather than murder. The baby is an unwanted intruder. And the only way to defend the mother is through the death of another person. And like self defense there are different interpretations of what rights each party has. And it is rare for anyone to be absolute in their support of the rights of one or the other party.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by valval on Thursday November 07, 2024 @11:57AM (#42078435)
You’ve invited the baby by having sex. It’s not an intruder in any capacity.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by whalesalad on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:38PM (#42065982)
> Abortion is not a religious issue, it is an ethical issue.

Says you. I see nothing ethically wrong with abortion.

Virtually every species of animal is known to kill their own young from time to time. Why should humans be held to a different standard? The earth is already overpopulated as-is.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by svieira on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @02:36PM (#42068028)
Also a large number of animals cannibalize the weak (chickens, for example). Now, I presume that you hold humans to a different standard for that behavior - why?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by whalesalad on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:13PM (#42069481)
I don’t. Humans are animals, too.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by svieira on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:42PM (#42073146)
Ah - well, at least you're consistent.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by noworriesnate on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @02:15PM (#42067708)
Just because people ate their own children during a siege doesn't mean it's morally acceptable.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by nixdev on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:35PM (#42065922)
> You posses religious conditioning that makes you believe this. > but your opinion/stance should not be projected on everyone else in the country.

Wow. Talk about projection. Roe, a case where the woman involved later admitted to lying about being raped, that case, the repeal of that case moves the opinion/stance back to the states, where it should be.

> they can't even comprehend a situation where "live and let live" is possible

Funny someone in the "I NEED TO KILL MY BABY" crowd would write something like this. You people really have zero self awareness.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by whalesalad on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:38PM (#42065969)
I do not value human life over any other life. Squirrels, frogs, birds, babies, they are all the same.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by justonenote on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:59PM (#42066394)
So you are saying given an mutually exclusive choice you would save the life of 2 frogs over 1 human baby?

If you really do believe this you are an outlier, and 99% of the population do not agree with you and would not want you setting any policy.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by whalesalad on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:14PM (#42066636)
I don't think that you are qualified to make these remarks.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by kaba0 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:37PM (#42065950)
Because people are morons