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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by palata on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:18AM (#42063624)
You need to account for indirect emissions. Because all the factories are in China means that China emits more, but those iPads are not being sold and used in China.

When you import goods, you import their emissions. It's just super hard to measure (and we like to blame it all on China).

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by belorn on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:41AM (#42063982)
The solution there is to create tariffs based on emissions so that the costs of the emissions get accounted when people import goods.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by palata on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:22AM (#42064633)
I don't understand the word "tarries", somehow even after looking it up :-). (Not my first language, sorry)

I meant that in practice it's very difficult to track, because it involves a lot of actors in a lot of countries.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by account42 on Thursday November 07, 2024 @04:59AM (#42075262)
This is irrelevant for looking at the effectiveness of climate policy. Restrictions on emissions in the US and EU are not going to reduce the emissions from factories in China even if the resulting products are sold in the US/EU.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by palata on Thursday November 07, 2024 @11:27AM (#42078095)
How do you mean that? China would not produce iPads for the rest of the world if the rest of the world was not buying iPads, right?

The graal of climate policy would actually be to be able to know precisely the impact of every single action we do. So that we could optimize properly. But because we can't do that, we have to rely on proxies, and that makes it error prone and practically very challenging.