You're not as important as you think you are

Then why won't they leave us alone?

Has any of your rights or space been materially invaded by whoever "they" are? Or is it all just communal paranoia?

I could literally lose my access to care over this, if the new administration follows through with what's been promised.

Are you losing access to all care or free care?

Care that I earn through my work that brings in more to my institution than it costs to have me on board. As if that distinction should matter.

Then the trans activists (not the community) should not have been pushing stuff onto the kids side of things. That's a 100% no-go area and I don't know how anyone thought that was a good idea. People, all people, want themselves and their children to be left alone.

Sorry, someone else in this thread already beat you to that particular propaganda point.

Because people like you are often at the forefront of wider social movements. Stuff like healthcare, safety nets, worker empowerment… Your influence goes way beyond gender care or women's rights. Beyond their bigoted sensibilities they have an incentive to shut down many of the wider political views you may defend.

Bluntly, because trans activists are intent on forcing non-trans people to accept a fiction (people can change sex), deny biological reality, and overturn rights that women have fought for (no men in their private spaces). Not to mention influencing vulnerable children into harmful and unnecessary medical procedures. Stop doing that and almost everyone will happily leave you alone to dress and behave however you please.

I can't wait for four more years and beyond of hearing these same talking points over and over and over again. I could put up an argument here, but it's been done before and better, and frankly, I'm just so tired today.

Males need to respect female spaces and boundaries. All males, including those who want to be women. It's as simple as that.

As a response to the parent, this is antagonistic and uncharitable. The parent wasn't interested in arguing, and didn't even deny this specific point. I'm not saying they wouldn't, but there's plenty that can be easily denied in the GP (see my other comment), and this is not one of the "easy" ones. If women generally feel uncomfortable with trans-women in their bathrooms, that's not an unreasonable argument to make. The problem is that almost every time the argument is made, it's made unreasonably, using hatred or support for violence.

> The problem is that almost every time the argument is made, it's made unreasonably, using hatred or support for violence.

Not really though. What typically happens is that a perfectly reasonable statement about respecting women's boundaries, or the importance of female-only spaces, or the impossibility of men being women, gets labelled as "hatred" despite no hate being expressed.

> Stop doing that and almost everyone will happily leave you alone to dress and behave however you please.

I'm pretty sure they won't. And for that reason alone… https://www.youtube.com/@TacticoolGirlfriend

>forcing non-trans people to accept a fiction (people can change sex)

This is dishonest.

Obviously, vanishingly few people disagree on basic reality. Undeniable facts include: Whether or not I have a penis; whether or not I have a Y chromosome; whether or not biologically male and female brains/bodies normally differ; whether or not I feel like a man or feel like a woman; whether or not that feeling is permanent (that one would involve predicting the future, but is still ultimately factual).

The things people actually differ on are:

- The semantics of words like man/woman. This is 99% identity politics - "semantic argument" is practically a synonym for "pointless argument". "I'm using this word in a new-ish way."; "No, I disagree with that usage." It's utterly tangential.

- More relevantly: How (un)comfortable they feel about some of those basic realities listed above, and whether or not they express that using pettiness, word-bending, cherry-picking, physical violence, murder, etc.

>influencing vulnerable children into harmful and unnecessary medical procedures

I can't say that a "you are whatever you feel like" influence has literally never resulted in an impressionable mind making a horrible decision for themselves, but it's monumentally overstated by conservatives, which is easy to do because it's so subjective and so dramatic. The line between the obviously correct "be who you are without fear" and the less prudent "wouldn't you like to be who you feel like you are?" can be very blurry.

>Stop doing that and almost everyone will happily leave you alone to dress and behave however you please.

Surely you can read this and see that "almost" does not qualify this into reasonably true territory. This is just not how people are.

Do I upvote the sarcasm or flag the transphobia?

I answered the question, feel free to flag it if it upsets you.

Flagged because it's false and troll-y, not because it upsets me.

It's more likely that there is a small vocal pro-trans lobby, a small vocal anti-trans lobby, and almost everyone else who gives it no thought whatsoever.

I did say "or is just that willing to throw us to the wolves".

You can't pretend that we we haven't been forced into the political eye over past several years. The winning party has been extremely loud and extremely clear about their plans for us. I don't buy the ignorance argument anymore, not after three election cycles of this. If you voted for them, then you're okay with more of us dying in exchange for whatever you think you're getting out of the deal.

(Using the nonspecific "you" here—of course I don't know how the person I'm replying to voted.)

This is a little outside my bubble - what specifically are you worried about?

I have a couple acquaintances that are trans and they seem like normal happy people that aren't overtly oppressed. I'm under the impression that the state of trans rights is more or less equivalent to black rights, is that not the case?

> ... acquaintances...

I don't think we should try to draw any conclusions about the mental state or hopes and fears about people who we consider acquaintances. We just don't know them well enough, and they don't know us well enough to open up about the hard stuff.

To be clear, trans people face much more violence than you would think. It doesn't help when the GOP runs ads showing "trans women" as burly grown men who beat up little girls. Yes, that's real.

It's very difficult to not see the right's treatment of trans individuals as a slow genocide. Not only do they offer them no protections, but they also take healthcare rights away. But worst of all, they demonize them as monsters and sic their followers on them. The GOP doesn't actually need to kill trans people, it just needs to convince people to kill trans people. So far, that has been incredibly effective.

Where/how are trans people being killed?

republicans spent +$100 m on anti trans ads this cycle. it was a major talking point of the whole campaign. “gender reassignment surgeries happening in school”, etc.

Also trans. This is the beginning of the end. Do not out go with a whimper.

Y'all are not alone. You have allies still. An attack on your bodily autonomy and emotional wellbeing is an attack on mine.

sides of the same coin :[

It's not just that they hate you, it's that you're enjoying privileges you don't deserve. They are always angry that someone somewhere is getting something they don't deserve.

What priviledges are those?