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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by jonathanstrange on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:28AM (#42060311)
It doesn't matter whether they're tired of it or not, and you're probably feigning ignorance anyway. Of course, Fascists sometimes deny they are Fascists if that helps their strategies. There are objective characteristics for Fascism, for example Umberto Ecco's 14 points, and there is no doubt that Trump/MAGA is a Fascist movement. It ticks the boxes according to any characterization of Fascism. You can test that for yourself, look up characterizations and definitions from the seminal literature and check MAGA for them. There is just no doubt about it.

I'm personally also worried about the rise of left-wing authoritarianism in the US but that's another matter and far less of a general danger to the world at this time. But it's worth noting that authoritarian positions are popular on either side of the political fence in the US right now, and classical enlightened liberalism seems to be completely dead. (To be fair, it was never strong in the US to begin with.)

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by indy on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:00AM (#42061606)
Was America under Fascist rule from 2016 to 2020?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by jpdb on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:36AM (#42062058)
America was under a fascist ruler, but not under a fascist system of government.

Trump tested American democracy by consolidating power and was not successful, so we avoided being under a fascist rule

The fear is that we might get to test democracy again, and most of America doesn't seem to mind that. Maybe it's due to lack of understanding, not caring, or genuinely wanting fascism, I don't know.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by haccount on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:08AM (#42061710)
I skimmed your first paragraph, noticed you mentioned fascism with capital F like 5 times and tuned you out long before you reached any point, just as the parent post you replied to suggested.

I'm a centrist, the way I see it you go into storytelling hour with a grinding monologue aimed to gaslighting yourself and any listeners into a position of "we should execute our political opponents for being fascists, maybe some communism banners would be chic too"

It's a caricature of ideology that even chatGPT would laugh at.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by jonathanstrange on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:13AM (#42061771)
It's sometimes written with a capital F because it's a name, sorry if that offends you. Other than that, the only argument I can see is an ad hominem, which is kind of pointless. I do have credentials for talking about the topic but I won't bother you with them because it would only lead to more ad hominem attacks.
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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by indy on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:57AM (#42062345)
Calm down Jonathan, I was just trying to get a clarification on your point, it wasn't flamebait. Besides when I asked the question the other response hadn't been posted. I'll now stop talking to you Mr. Strange.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by krona on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:59AM (#42060747)
The distinctive fascist doctrine of perpetual war doesn't seem to be a MAGA calling cry. In fact isn't the opposite more true?

And then the cult of traditionalism while strong in the NRx movement, is arguably stronger in the Republican side than in MAGA itself.

Ultimately Fascism is deeply spiritual but all I get from Trump is brash 80's boomerism. He's not ideological enough.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by jonathanstrange on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:59AM (#42061580)
They are fighting an alleged "culture war" and also call it that way. I also think that Trump's movement is very spiritual, almost like a cult.

Anyway, all I'm saying is that based on common criteria the term Fascism is adequate for Trump's movement. I'm not claiming that it's strongly related to prior Fascist movements. These occurred in other countries at other times and I leave it to scholars to make comparisons if they must.