It doesn't matter whether they're tired of it or not, and you're probably feigning ignorance anyway. Of course, Fascists sometimes deny they are Fascists if that helps their strategies. There are objective characteristics for Fascism, for example Umberto Ecco's 14 points, and there is no doubt that Trump/MAGA is a Fascist movement. It ticks the boxes according to any characterization of Fascism. You can test that for yourself, look up characterizations and definitions from the seminal literature and check MAGA for them. There is just no doubt about it.

I'm personally also worried about the rise of left-wing authoritarianism in the US but that's another matter and far less of a general danger to the world at this time. But it's worth noting that authoritarian positions are popular on either side of the political fence in the US right now, and classical enlightened liberalism seems to be completely dead. (To be fair, it was never strong in the US to begin with.)

Was America under Fascist rule from 2016 to 2020?

America was under a fascist ruler, but not under a fascist system of government.

Trump tested American democracy by consolidating power and was not successful, so we avoided being under a fascist rule

The fear is that we might get to test democracy again, and most of America doesn't seem to mind that. Maybe it's due to lack of understanding, not caring, or genuinely wanting fascism, I don't know.

I skimmed your first paragraph, noticed you mentioned fascism with capital F like 5 times and tuned you out long before you reached any point, just as the parent post you replied to suggested.

I'm a centrist, the way I see it you go into storytelling hour with a grinding monologue aimed to gaslighting yourself and any listeners into a position of "we should execute our political opponents for being fascists, maybe some communism banners would be chic too"

It's a caricature of ideology that even chatGPT would laugh at.

It's sometimes written with a capital F because it's a name, sorry if that offends you. Other than that, the only argument I can see is an ad hominem, which is kind of pointless. I do have credentials for talking about the topic but I won't bother you with them because it would only lead to more ad hominem attacks.

Calm down Jonathan, I was just trying to get a clarification on your point, it wasn't flamebait. Besides when I asked the question the other response hadn't been posted. I'll now stop talking to you Mr. Strange.

The distinctive fascist doctrine of perpetual war doesn't seem to be a MAGA calling cry. In fact isn't the opposite more true?

And then the cult of traditionalism while strong in the NRx movement, is arguably stronger in the Republican side than in MAGA itself.

Ultimately Fascism is deeply spiritual but all I get from Trump is brash 80's boomerism. He's not ideological enough.

They are fighting an alleged "culture war" and also call it that way. I also think that Trump's movement is very spiritual, almost like a cult.

Anyway, all I'm saying is that based on common criteria the term Fascism is adequate for Trump's movement. I'm not claiming that it's strongly related to prior Fascist movements. These occurred in other countries at other times and I leave it to scholars to make comparisons if they must.

Trump has called his opponents fascists a million times.

This word really means nothing at this point, like racist, it's so misused that it has lost its meaning.

Yes, and wasn't it silly of him to call his opponents Fascist?

It sure was but you were implying that this was a problem with the left.

So maybe the left should reduce their usage of the word? Especially if they want to win over some of the people that voted for Trump in this election?

Just a thought

Yeah, you all keep making that point. But I don't believe for a second that a single voter went with Trump because the libs had called them mean words.

Well your belief is wrong. The libs have spent years calling people of certain backgrounds, ethnicities and genders as fascist, racist, homophobic, sexist, transphobic, deplorable.

This behaviour culminates in what you're seeing.

I know that they have, but that's not why people voted for Trump. You just like to say that to try and make it look like something the libs brought on themselves.

And as you agreed, Trump does the same, more than anyone. So unless you are openly stating "the left should behave more decent than the right if they want votes", there is a problem in your logic as well.

Yes he has called people fascist in some of his speeches. Now compare that against everyone on CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Hollywood, etc etc etc relentlessly calling people names for nearly a decade. The difference is a thousand fold. There is no equivalence in quantity.

If this is really your perception, then you live in an incredibly well insulated bubble. If we are including media and pundits, I can assure you that the vitriol that has been coming from the right for well over a decade easily compares.

I'm asking people who don't like the result of the election to stop labelling everything Fascist. I'm trying to be helpful.

There is no right wing equivalent to the institutions I mentioned: CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Hollywood, not to mention schools, universities, tech giants like Google, Apple, Meta etc, all of whom lean left and have shown biases in their actions.

Please try to entertain the hypothesis that maybe I'm not the one in an incredibly well insulated bubble

Perhaps this might help you understand my point: https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-spells-are-spent-beaa675b