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Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by topbanana on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:04AM (#4202825)
I can't understand how anyone would prefer reading a backlit screen. I find e-ink so much easier on the eyes, especially after a day of staring at screens. I hope e-ink doesn't die out.
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by latch on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:25AM (#4202893)
And it's more than just the backlight...the battery on my Kindle lasts forever and the form factor, weight included, is much better.

I tried to find a post where he mentions how much he reads. I can imagine someone who reads a bit - say 30 minutes every couple days, not really caring. But if you read for hours at a time...I just can't believe that you'd prefer a tablet.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by ericsink on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:39AM (#4202942)
I've read over 80 novels on my iPad. Love it.

I haven't tried a Kindle. I don't doubt that it's a better device for just book reading. But my iPad suits me well.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by bryanlarsen on Thursday July 05, 2012 @10:07AM (#4203056)
I'm willing to bet you already have a better device for reading novels. My favourite device for reading novels is my phone. It's really comfortable to hold, its small size completely eliminates eye-scanning, and the small size means that on appropriate settings it doesn't emit enough light to cause eye strain or keep me awake, yet emits enough that you can read in the dark. The other nice thing about the phone is that it's always on me, I don't have to remember to throw it in my bag.

There are certainly situations where I prefer my epaper device. In sunlight, for example, or when the battery on my phone is dead or dying.

The iPad is great for reading non-fiction (aka PDFs with diagrams), but it's a horrible device for reading novels.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by dpark on Thursday July 05, 2012 @10:48AM (#4203247)
Depends on what kind of phone you're carrying. The iPhone with it's 3.5" screen is not a great size for reading books. The screen is just too small, meaning you either get tiny letters or a tiny amount of text on each page. I've read a novel on my phone, but I wouldn't do it regularly.

The iPad on the other hand works well, for me at least. The screen gives me about as much space as a hardback book, and I set the font size to match. With white-on-black, it's quite easy on the eyes. Sucks in the sun, though.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by bryanlarsen on Thursday July 05, 2012 @11:03AM (#4203321)
I completely disagree. I used to read novels on my Palm Pilot with its 3" screen. Its lower resolution also meant that I had to use a bigger font. Your eyes don't scan more than about 3-5 words simultaneously, so a screen width any wider than that is suboptimal.

The only problem with small screens is that you have to page more often. You can work around that by using autoscroll or using an app that lets you page easily (for instance, by using the volume buttons). If you're stuck using swipe to page, that would get annoying very quickly...

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by dpark on Thursday July 05, 2012 @11:22AM (#4203407)
I didn't say it's impossible. I said it's not a great size. You could read a novel one word at a time on a digital wristwatch, too, but it'd be a pretty subpar experience.

> Your eyes don't scan more than about 3-5 words simultaneously, so a screen width any wider than that is suboptimal.

The fact that your eyes can't consume 20 words at once does not mean that a line length of 5 is optimal. Your brain gets context from the surrounding words. If 5 words in a line is optimal for giving context to the center word, it's decidedly suboptimal for the other words in the line, which necessarily have less surrounding context. Your eyes also don't really read more than one line at a time. Does that make it optimal to limit the display to one line?

Also, autoscroll sucks. It's not natural to read at a fixed pace. As your level of wakefulness, concentration, interest, etc. changes, so does your reading pace. Beyond that, some lines simply take more or less time to read than others.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by nooneelse on Thursday July 05, 2012 @01:11PM (#4203874)
I've read books, papers, articles, and various other things on ipads, kindles, palm IIIs, two android phones, and a Transformer prime, (I think I'm being exhaustive enough). And I completely agree with you. I tore through lots of books on my old palm III, but it was often constraining and some types of material worked much better than others.

As a more recent example. In a book club I'm in, we were reading "The Theory of the Leisure Class" (man, oh man is Veblen cantankerous, but "conspicuous consumption" is a bit of genius). Anyway, many of us passed around the ebook copy we had, and at least five people tried to read it on their phones... to unanimous, vehement agreement that the late 1800's style of long-winded rhetoric was too much for reading on small screens. Headaches, lots of paging back to find the point of things again, no one made it through more than a quarter of the book that way. Just another example of the medium shaping the possible messages.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by bryanlarsen on Thursday July 05, 2012 @12:58PM (#4203820)
> If 5 words in a line is optimal for giving context to the center word, it's decidedly suboptimal for the other words in the line, which necessarily have less surrounding context.

Because the lines are so short, when you're reading the word at the end of the line your eyes have already picked up the context from the beginning of the next line down.

I've read hundreds of novels on small screen devices over the last 12 years. So maybe it requires a little bit of adaptation. But with this adaptation I much prefer the size of softcover books and phones over hardcover books and 6" e-readers, let alone 10" iPads.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by dpark on Thursday July 05, 2012 @02:22PM (#4204229)
> Because the lines are so short, when you're reading the word at the end of the line your eyes have already picked up the context from the beginning of the next line down.

Your brain can't handle more than 5 words of context, but it can buffer up multiple lines? If you've got some evidence for this, I'd be interested, but it seems like you're just making things up at this point.

> I've read hundreds of novels on small screen devices over the last 12 years. So maybe it requires a little bit of adaptation.

It requires adaptation because it's less comfortable. Saying the iPhone is a more comfortable form factor than a small tablet/ereader is like saying that this is a more comfortable dictionary: http://dictionaryperson.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/lilliput....

> But with this adaptation I much prefer the size of softcover books and phones over hardcover books and 6" e-readers, let alone 10" iPads.

A 6" ereader already has a smaller page than about 99% of softcover books. You can't lump together phones and softcover books based on size unless you're talking about those Lilliputian dictionaries. Seriously, pick up a Nook at your local B&N and hold it up next to nearly any paperback on the shelf. Even most mass-market paperbacks have larger pages, and trade paperbacks positively dwarf the Nook. You'd need two Nook screens to equal the size of a page in a Harry Potter trade paperback.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by ericsink on Thursday July 05, 2012 @11:54AM (#4203550)
Actually, I don't have a smart phone.

Until recently, I did. It got broken. When I went to replace it, I realized that my iPad has displaced my smart phone in almost every way.

So I bought a flip phone.

I charge the battery every week whether it needs it or not.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by GFischer on Thursday July 05, 2012 @02:02PM (#4204122)
I've read over 150 books on my Kindle.

Before that, I've tried a lot of other devices - CRTs, LCD, LED screens, Android and Symbian cell phones, I even read quite a few books on a secondhand Palm III.

The Kindle is light-years better. I used to get my eyes tired from reading on CRTs and LCDs, I did manage to read a lot of books on them but that's because I was too poor to afford them (shipping to Uruguay is incredibly expensive).

As other posters said, e-ink is truly better for reading, and the almost eternal battery and form factor and light weight do make for a much better reading experience.

While the iPad is very nice, and has a lot of advantages, I think that if you're a book lover, you'd get a lot of mileage out of a Kindle or equivalent e-ink reader. (especially if you've read 80 books on your iPad already!)

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by sliverstorm on Thursday July 05, 2012 @03:07PM (#4204453)
But, how much do you read in one sitting? I tend to read half a book to a book in a sitting, which I can't imagine doing with an LCD.
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by pasbesoin on Thursday July 05, 2012 @11:10AM (#4203352)
I have a Kobo [1] that was an impulse purchase at deep discount when a Borders I was dragged to was having their close-out sale.

It's fine -- very convenient -- for "standard" reading.

Load an O'Reilly text, and the code examples extend off the right end of the display. Which doesn't scroll (perhaps "pan" is the better word).

I also favor others' comments, that when reading some texts you want to "flip" back and forth for reference.

I've waited for years for something mainstream to come along with e.g. a PixelQ display. That's what I'd prefer: Reflective, preferably with a higher DPI, but quick enough to enable convenient scrolling, panning, flipping, etc.

Yes, I could have been more proactive in acquiring something, personally. Nonetheless, herewith my major dissatisfaction with current "e-paper" e-readers.

I'll probably end up getting a Nexus 7. I just wish it had a microSD slot. But I can work around that. (And, I'll buy the 16 GB model.)

It looks to be good enough, without spending $500 and having a super-obvious, "look at me"/"steal me" device.

I also hope it's jailbroken. I want a device that does precisely and only what I want it to. The security problems people are having cause me worry, but so does the corporate over-lording that is being extended to locked down platforms.

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[1] The Kobo does have a fairly open, Linux-based firmware. It's modified from another upstream company's. That company's version now offers a landscape mode; however, Kobo only does landscape in PDF mode (dog slow, by the way) but not in ePub mode.

Some people claim to have wedged the other company's firmware onto the Kobo. There's also the possibility of modifying their too-large font selection for [code] text. But... that all involved more steps than I was willing to go through at the time.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by demallien on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:12AM (#4202857)
At night in bed I read on my iPhone using iBooks. I use the 'night' theme which has a black background and light text. I then turn the brightness down to the minimum. Zero eye-strain, you can read in the dark, without disturbing your partner.
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by randlet on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:10AM (#4202843)
I love the e-ink on the Kindle with the only downside being that reading in the dark requires a lamp. Battery life is another huge plus in favour of e-ink.
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by bergie on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:15AM (#4202869)
Sometimes I also find it a bonus that you really can't do anything else on the device than read. Focus on the text with zero distractions...
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by jgroome on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:24AM (#4202889)
Absolutely. When I first got mine my friend was shocked that I could be so enthusiastic about a device that doesn't have social apps and integration or notifications.

Like what you'd want when you're concentrating on a book is constant reminders of what's happening on Facebook.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by ZeroGravitas on Thursday July 05, 2012 @10:15AM (#4203090)
I bought a Galaxy Note since my main reading time is either spent in the dark or grabbed in small gaps of time when I'm on the move. And since it's AMOLED it's not technically back-light and gray on black text works very well for me.
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by bookwormAT on Thursday July 05, 2012 @07:24PM (#4205536)
I was to cheap for that when I bought my kindle, but try a search on Amazon for "lighted kindle covers" http://amzn.to/Rn9obC
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by adamc on Thursday July 05, 2012 @11:09AM (#4203348)
Some people get motion sickness from the e-ink page transitions -- my daughter has this problem. (I do too, a little, but it's less of a problem for me.) Whereas, reading books on the Kindle Fire doesn't bother her.
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by scdc on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:13AM (#4202861)
Backlit is great for reading in bed at night. But I prefer the e-ink for all other times. I'm looking forward to getting an e-ink reader with the glow backlight like the new Nook.
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by dpark on Thursday July 05, 2012 @10:50AM (#4203263)
I just got one. It's quite nice for reading at night or in the evening.

It's not actually a backlight, though. It's front-lit by LEDs under the bezel and a diffraction grating that spreads the light.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by klawed on Thursday July 05, 2012 @12:28PM (#4203672)
If only there was a soft and comfortable harness that I could drape over my knees upon which to prop my iPad, I'd be very happy with the 9.5 in tablet. I've got a design in my head but no spare cycles at the moment...I'll keep looking on Etsy since I'm sure I'm not the first person with this idea.
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by ThomPete on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:54AM (#4203003)
I read both on the Kindle and the iPad. The Kindle is great for the day time and the iPad is great for night time. It's really that simple.
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by hnalien on Thursday July 05, 2012 @01:30PM (#4203956)
That is basically it. I basically limit most of my heavy ready during the daylight and the iPad is great for finishing up a couple of chapters before bedtime...
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by ConstantineXVI on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:22AM (#4202881)
E-ink readers will likely stick around the same way MP3 players have; at least until e-ink improves (or we get a new e-ink like display tech) that's more competitive with general-purpose LCD/AMOLED. It's likely we'll eventually see something that resembles e-ink replace LCD, just not for a while.
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by jakeonthemove on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:10AM (#4202841)
Yeah, obviously an e-ink display is easier on the eyes, but having a separate grayscale e-reader is a waste of space and resources. A color e-ink screen would be perfect - I'd say we'll see tablets using them in a couple of years...
Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by lukejduncan on Thursday July 05, 2012 @02:19PM (#4204211)
Agreed. Kindle + smartphone/tablet is perfect for comfortable reading plus drill-down asides on a new found topic.