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Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by ericsink on Thursday July 05, 2012 @09:39AM (#4202942)
I've read over 80 novels on my iPad. Love it.

I haven't tried a Kindle. I don't doubt that it's a better device for just book reading. But my iPad suits me well.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by bryanlarsen on Thursday July 05, 2012 @10:07AM (#4203056)
I'm willing to bet you already have a better device for reading novels. My favourite device for reading novels is my phone. It's really comfortable to hold, its small size completely eliminates eye-scanning, and the small size means that on appropriate settings it doesn't emit enough light to cause eye strain or keep me awake, yet emits enough that you can read in the dark. The other nice thing about the phone is that it's always on me, I don't have to remember to throw it in my bag.

There are certainly situations where I prefer my epaper device. In sunlight, for example, or when the battery on my phone is dead or dying.

The iPad is great for reading non-fiction (aka PDFs with diagrams), but it's a horrible device for reading novels.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by dpark on Thursday July 05, 2012 @10:48AM (#4203247)
Depends on what kind of phone you're carrying. The iPhone with it's 3.5" screen is not a great size for reading books. The screen is just too small, meaning you either get tiny letters or a tiny amount of text on each page. I've read a novel on my phone, but I wouldn't do it regularly.

The iPad on the other hand works well, for me at least. The screen gives me about as much space as a hardback book, and I set the font size to match. With white-on-black, it's quite easy on the eyes. Sucks in the sun, though.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by bryanlarsen on Thursday July 05, 2012 @11:03AM (#4203321)
I completely disagree. I used to read novels on my Palm Pilot with its 3" screen. Its lower resolution also meant that I had to use a bigger font. Your eyes don't scan more than about 3-5 words simultaneously, so a screen width any wider than that is suboptimal.

The only problem with small screens is that you have to page more often. You can work around that by using autoscroll or using an app that lets you page easily (for instance, by using the volume buttons). If you're stuck using swipe to page, that would get annoying very quickly...

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by dpark on Thursday July 05, 2012 @11:22AM (#4203407)
I didn't say it's impossible. I said it's not a great size. You could read a novel one word at a time on a digital wristwatch, too, but it'd be a pretty subpar experience.

> Your eyes don't scan more than about 3-5 words simultaneously, so a screen width any wider than that is suboptimal.

The fact that your eyes can't consume 20 words at once does not mean that a line length of 5 is optimal. Your brain gets context from the surrounding words. If 5 words in a line is optimal for giving context to the center word, it's decidedly suboptimal for the other words in the line, which necessarily have less surrounding context. Your eyes also don't really read more than one line at a time. Does that make it optimal to limit the display to one line?

Also, autoscroll sucks. It's not natural to read at a fixed pace. As your level of wakefulness, concentration, interest, etc. changes, so does your reading pace. Beyond that, some lines simply take more or less time to read than others.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by nooneelse on Thursday July 05, 2012 @01:11PM (#4203874)
I've read books, papers, articles, and various other things on ipads, kindles, palm IIIs, two android phones, and a Transformer prime, (I think I'm being exhaustive enough). And I completely agree with you. I tore through lots of books on my old palm III, but it was often constraining and some types of material worked much better than others.

As a more recent example. In a book club I'm in, we were reading "The Theory of the Leisure Class" (man, oh man is Veblen cantankerous, but "conspicuous consumption" is a bit of genius). Anyway, many of us passed around the ebook copy we had, and at least five people tried to read it on their phones... to unanimous, vehement agreement that the late 1800's style of long-winded rhetoric was too much for reading on small screens. Headaches, lots of paging back to find the point of things again, no one made it through more than a quarter of the book that way. Just another example of the medium shaping the possible messages.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by bryanlarsen on Thursday July 05, 2012 @12:58PM (#4203820)
> If 5 words in a line is optimal for giving context to the center word, it's decidedly suboptimal for the other words in the line, which necessarily have less surrounding context.

Because the lines are so short, when you're reading the word at the end of the line your eyes have already picked up the context from the beginning of the next line down.

I've read hundreds of novels on small screen devices over the last 12 years. So maybe it requires a little bit of adaptation. But with this adaptation I much prefer the size of softcover books and phones over hardcover books and 6" e-readers, let alone 10" iPads.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by dpark on Thursday July 05, 2012 @02:22PM (#4204229)
> Because the lines are so short, when you're reading the word at the end of the line your eyes have already picked up the context from the beginning of the next line down.

Your brain can't handle more than 5 words of context, but it can buffer up multiple lines? If you've got some evidence for this, I'd be interested, but it seems like you're just making things up at this point.

> I've read hundreds of novels on small screen devices over the last 12 years. So maybe it requires a little bit of adaptation.

It requires adaptation because it's less comfortable. Saying the iPhone is a more comfortable form factor than a small tablet/ereader is like saying that this is a more comfortable dictionary: http://dictionaryperson.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/lilliput....

> But with this adaptation I much prefer the size of softcover books and phones over hardcover books and 6" e-readers, let alone 10" iPads.

A 6" ereader already has a smaller page than about 99% of softcover books. You can't lump together phones and softcover books based on size unless you're talking about those Lilliputian dictionaries. Seriously, pick up a Nook at your local B&N and hold it up next to nearly any paperback on the shelf. Even most mass-market paperbacks have larger pages, and trade paperbacks positively dwarf the Nook. You'd need two Nook screens to equal the size of a page in a Harry Potter trade paperback.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by ericsink on Thursday July 05, 2012 @11:54AM (#4203550)
Actually, I don't have a smart phone.

Until recently, I did. It got broken. When I went to replace it, I realized that my iPad has displaced my smart phone in almost every way.

So I bought a flip phone.

I charge the battery every week whether it needs it or not.

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by GFischer on Thursday July 05, 2012 @02:02PM (#4204122)
I've read over 150 books on my Kindle.

Before that, I've tried a lot of other devices - CRTs, LCD, LED screens, Android and Symbian cell phones, I even read quite a few books on a secondhand Palm III.

The Kindle is light-years better. I used to get my eyes tired from reading on CRTs and LCDs, I did manage to read a lot of books on them but that's because I was too poor to afford them (shipping to Uruguay is incredibly expensive).

As other posters said, e-ink is truly better for reading, and the almost eternal battery and form factor and light weight do make for a much better reading experience.

While the iPad is very nice, and has a lot of advantages, I think that if you're a book lover, you'd get a lot of mileage out of a Kindle or equivalent e-ink reader. (especially if you've read 80 books on your iPad already!)

Re:Fred Wilson: My New Nexus 7" by sliverstorm on Thursday July 05, 2012 @03:07PM (#4204453)
But, how much do you read in one sitting? I tend to read half a book to a book in a sitting, which I can't imagine doing with an LCD.