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Re:M4 MacBook Pro by lukev on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @05:04PM (#42000282)
I mean, the security features are pretty well documented. The FBI can't crack a modern iPhone even with Apple's help. A lot of the lockdowns are in service of that.

I'm curious: what hardware and software stack do you use?

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by switch007 on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @06:06PM (#42000986)
Cellebrite Premium 7.69.5 iOS Support Matrix from July 2024.

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/14344-cellebrite-premium-ju...

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by fingerlocks on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @08:35PM (#42002215)
Doesn't AFU here mean the phone had to be already unlocked? Which is most of the entries?
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by saagarjha on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @11:51PM (#42003317)
AFU means the phone was unlocked and then relocked.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by fingerlocks on Thursday October 31, 2024 @12:15AM (#42003442)
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Re:M4 MacBook Pro by saagarjha on Thursday October 31, 2024 @02:51AM (#42004114)
Police do often want to get into phones in that state. This is why Cellebrite sells that product.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by misiek08 on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @05:11PM (#42000371)
FBI and Apple „can't”, but 3rd party do and they do it cheaper every day.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by lukev on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @05:16PM (#42000426)
They do not.

Edit: I have not posted a source for this claim, because what sort of source would be acceptable for a claim of the form "X has not occurred"?

If you are going to claim Apple's security model has been compromised, you need not only evidence of such a compromise but also an explanation for why such an "obvious" and "cheap" vulnerability has not been disclosed by any number of white or grey-hat hackers.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by spiderice on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @05:51PM (#42000816)
Jesus, just post a source.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by coldtea on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @06:31PM (#42001240)
the burden on proof is not on him to prove a negative
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by dankwizard on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @05:43PM (#42000735)
Yes they do.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by lukev on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @05:50PM (#42000802)
If you're going to claim that random hacking groups routinely do something the FBI and NSA claim to be unable to do... citation needed.
Re:M4 MacBook Pro by dankwizard on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @07:15PM (#42001611)
Ok [1]

"Since then, technologies like Grayshift’s GrayKey—a device capable of breaking into modern iPhones—have become staples in forensic investigations across federal, state, and local levels."

"In other cases where the FBI demanded access to data stored in a locked phone, like the San Bernardino and Pensacola shootings, the FBI unlocked devices without Apple’s help, often by purchasing hacking tools from foreign entities like Cellebrite."

1 - https://www.firstpost.com/tech/the-fbi-was-able-to-hack-into...

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by makeitdouble on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @06:39PM (#42001285)
An issue with taking their claim at face value is they have no incentive to say they can:

- they can keep asking for backdoors to "stop terrorists"

- they're not on the hook if for whatever reason they can't access a particular phone in a very mediatized case

- most targets (the not so sophisticated ones at least) keep using a device the agencies have proper access to

Regardless of their actual technical means, I don't expect we ever get a "we sure can!" kind of public boasting any time soon.

Re:M4 MacBook Pro by bigfudge on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @05:41PM (#42000722)
Is there evidence of this. I’d be interested to know more.