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Re:Shopify Is Winning Salesforce Clients, Stoking E-Commerce... by xp84 on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @12:57PM (#41986540)
I only understand Salesforce in that they purchase any successful company they can, and take what seems like 30 minutes of effort for each acquisition to integrate it with the rest of their businesses in a sensible, synergistic way.

The original Salesforce, people now call SFDC (Salesforce Dot Com) which as you know is a CRM but more broadly speaking, a database backend & a GUI, with a construction kit to let ~customers~ Salesforce Consultants model and build simple tooling for business processes of any kind.

They have snapped up various companies like ExactTarget (bulk email), Demandware (aka SFCC, probably what's being discussed here), Heroku, and Slack.

I assume the main synergy is just of the business kind. You can include Slack in a big overall Salesforce "deal" and have one big (steak dinners and alcohol-style) contract negotiation.

And honestly even though I teased above about the lack of integration or consistency (it took like 10 years for one to be able to even log into ET with Salesforce creds), I'm glad that they don't really do anything to their acquisitions to integrate them, since I have no desire to have any integration between say, Slack, and our bulk emailing platform, and anything like that would surely make Slack worse.

Re:Shopify Is Winning Salesforce Clients, Stoking E-Commerce... by ianhawes on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @02:32PM (#41987866)
Is the steak dinner and alcohol-fueled (and I'll throw in golf) contract negotiation real? I keep hearing about it on HN comments but my experience with enterprise sales has been almost the complete opposite. Lots of meetings on Zoom and occasionally a drink at industry events.
Re:Shopify Is Winning Salesforce Clients, Stoking E-Commerce... by ethbr1 on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:29PM (#41988405)
Oh yeah, although probably less steak now than used to be. But enterprise sales is always (and will forever be) sales.

Caveat: the further you get into non-tech, as a customer base, the more prevalent this is. On the tech side, there's at least a thin veneer of objectivity (often masking a quiet steak dinner, in which the actual solution was picked).

Re:Shopify Is Winning Salesforce Clients, Stoking E-Commerce... by billbrown on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:09PM (#41988226)
The Salesforce account executives will definitely drop by before or around negotiations and take decision makers to dinner. They'll even host a Top Golf evening for the team, just to put faces with names. eyeroll
Re:Shopify Is Winning Salesforce Clients, Stoking E-Commerce... by xp84 on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @06:01PM (#41989875)
I heard it firsthand from my last company's head of digital marketing, who was the most key decision maker in that area there. These Salesforce sales guys, it seems, are able to spend lavishly on literal wining and dining, which is probably very effective in terms of getting them to win over other teams on why they should add on (insert SF service here) to increase deal size.

The last negotiation I was there for, for instance, in late 2021, the SF guys were pitching (hard) a product called "Salesforce Einstein" which was promised to be everything to everyone. I see they are now calling it "AI" which wasn't the main way they described it then before AI was such a hot buzzword. I think it was just branding for some kind of marketing workflow tooling, but to hear them tell it, it would do anything we could imagine.

Re:Shopify Is Winning Salesforce Clients, Stoking E-Commerce... by Atotalnoob on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @11:00PM (#41991586)
I don’t know about sales force, but once you get high enough, vendors will spend tens of thousands on meals, tickets to conferences, etc to win you over and keep you.

The current place I work will call up Microsoft, databricks, or someone else and have them pay for a hackathon with ~100 participants including catered meals and dinners out for a week.

I sat next to one vendor, I saw the total bill for the dinner (30k). He didn’t flinch and slapped down his Amex

Re:Shopify Is Winning Salesforce Clients, Stoking E-Commerce... by ethbr1 on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @02:24PM (#41987764)
To be fair, they bought Quip four years before Slack, so they haven't all been winners.
Re:Shopify Is Winning Salesforce Clients, Stoking E-Commerce... by tootie on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @02:29PM (#41987828)
My org decided rather suddenly to adopt Salesforce Marketing Cloud which sounded like a plausible decision until I found out it was ExactTarget and looked pretty much the same as it did in 2004 and also doesn't really integrate with Salesforce CRM in any useful way.
Re:Shopify Is Winning Salesforce Clients, Stoking E-Commerce... by bigfatkitten on Friday November 01, 2024 @05:05PM (#42021556)
With every acquisition, Uncle Marc always has some grand, though nebulous integration vision to go with the announcement. But it never happens.