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Re:New iMac with M4 by tomcam on Monday October 28, 2024 @06:16PM (#41977042)
With respect, then, why do you think iPhone or iPad batteries can’t be replaced by the average user after a decade and a half?
Re:New iMac with M4 by Schiendelman on Monday October 28, 2024 @07:34PM (#41977737)
Waterproofing. It really is that simple. The math would never work out trading that for easy replaceability. And every average user can get a shop to replace their battery.
Re:New iMac with M4 by shiroiushi on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @12:24AM (#41979358)
The old Samsung Galaxy S5 was waterproof and had a user-replaceable battery, so your argument doesn't hold water.
Re:New iMac with M4 by Gigachad on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @06:55AM (#41982458)
Waterproofing isn't a yes/no feature. Modern phones are way more waterproof and dust resistant than the S5. The plastic back on the S5 would quickly develop cracks that would let water in.
Re:New iMac with M4 by shiroiushi on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @10:02PM (#41991262)
Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it showed that it can be done, and it's not particularly difficult either. An improved design could have a metal back panel instead of plastic, it could use screws instead of plastic snaps, etc. (And with most people using cases, who cares about visible screws?)
Re:New iMac with M4 by qup on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @12:06PM (#41985675)
If it's waterproof and you get the water on the inside, it should in fact hold water
Re:New iMac with M4 by Schiendelman on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @02:24PM (#41987761)
It was really not waterproof. It was IP67, which is far from the IP68 almost all phones have today. https://phandroid.com/2014/04/21/galaxy-s5-ip67-meaning/
Re:New iMac with M4 by tomcam on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:45AM (#41980470)
I thought waterproofing came late to iPhones, like version 7 or 8. What would the reason be before that given environmentalism as a strong motivator?
Re:New iMac with M4 by dwaite on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @04:21AM (#41980846)
Getting a professional who will properly dispose of a battery is more environmentally conscious, and supports the local economy?
Re:New iMac with M4 by philistine on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @12:22AM (#41979349)
For the same reason I can't replace the battery on my electric car (not the 9V one). Because the car maker made that choice, for a myriad of good and bad reasons. What's your point?
Re:New iMac with M4 by tomcam on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:36AM (#41980404)
I feel you. I just bought an exceptionally boring car in large part because it is meant to be largely user-serviceable. Sorry you got stuck with that problem.

My point was that GP made a strong assertion that didn’t quite bear up to scrutiny IMHO:

> I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

It seems to me that an “extremely environmentally conscientious” company would place a much higher priority on serviceability. But I am very open to contrary reasoning and I don’t know any Apple engineers. This was a rare opportunity.

I hasten to say that Apple products are so good I overlook this disadvantage, but then I don’t describe myself as extremely environmentally conscientious.

Re:New iMac with M4 by saintfire on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @12:33AM (#41979403)
I would think the point was already made: The decision is not environmentally friendly.

That aside, comparing a phone battery to an high-voltage high-amperage battery is a bit of an apples to oranges.