Re:New iMac with M4
by tomcam on Monday October 28, 2024 @06:16PM
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With respect, then, why do you think iPhone or iPad batteries can’t be replaced by the average user after a decade and a half?
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Re:New iMac with M4
by Schiendelman on Monday October 28, 2024 @07:34PM
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Waterproofing. It really is that simple. The math would never work out trading that for easy replaceability. And every average user can get a shop to replace their battery.
Re:New iMac with M4
by shiroiushi on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @12:24AM
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The old Samsung Galaxy S5 was waterproof and had a user-replaceable battery, so your argument doesn't hold water.
Waterproofing isn't a yes/no feature. Modern phones are way more waterproof and dust resistant than the S5. The plastic back on the S5 would quickly develop cracks that would let water in.
Re:New iMac with M4
by shiroiushi on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @10:02PM
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Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it showed that it can be done, and it's not particularly difficult either. An improved design could have a metal back panel instead of plastic, it could use screws instead of plastic snaps, etc. (And with most people using cases, who cares about visible screws?)
If it's waterproof and you get the water on the inside, it should in fact hold water
Re:New iMac with M4
by Schiendelman on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @02:24PM
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It was really not waterproof. It was IP67, which is far from the IP68 almost all phones have today. https://phandroid.com/2014/04/21/galaxy-s5-ip67-meaning/
I thought waterproofing came late to iPhones, like version 7 or 8. What would the reason be before that given environmentalism as a strong motivator?
Getting a professional who will properly dispose of a battery is more environmentally conscious, and supports the local economy?
Re:New iMac with M4
by philistine on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @12:22AM
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For the same reason I can't replace the battery on my electric car (not the 9V one). Because the car maker made that choice, for a myriad of good and bad reasons. What's your point?
I feel you. I just bought an exceptionally boring car in large part because it is meant to be largely user-serviceable. Sorry you got stuck with that problem.
My point was that GP made a strong assertion that didn’t quite bear up to scrutiny IMHO:
> I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.
It seems to me that an “extremely environmentally conscientious” company would place a much higher priority on serviceability. But I am very open to contrary reasoning and I don’t know any Apple engineers. This was a rare opportunity.
I hasten to say that Apple products are so good I overlook this disadvantage, but then I don’t describe myself as extremely environmentally conscientious.
I would think the point was already made: The decision is not environmentally friendly.
That aside, comparing a phone battery to an high-voltage high-amperage battery is a bit of an apples to oranges.