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Re:New iMac with M4 by rowanG077 on Monday October 28, 2024 @05:58PM (#41976887)
I think it's extremely overestimated by the technical crowd how many people would ever upgrade their RAM or SSD in their Macbook. I honestly doubt it's even in the single digit percentage points. The energy, engineering and material wasted on having connectors probably vastly outweighs the environmental savings by having that one tech person upgrade their RAM or SSD,
Re:New iMac with M4 by conradev on Monday October 28, 2024 @06:51PM (#41977397)
I bought an M1 Max with a 2TB SSD, but I’m running up against the capacity and I want more storage. The computer is still plenty fast. Normally, I’d upgrade my computer and continue using it, but now I need to sell it and get a new one to get more storage. Not to mention the carbon cost of doing that, these things are $4000!

Further, when I buy a new one, I’m now incentivized to over-provision it based on my current needs by that same logic.

OWC has an entire business around this (for older Macs): https://www.owc.com/

Photos and videos get larger each year with larger sensors, so it can be hard to predict future usage if you take a lot of those.

Re:New iMac with M4 by kridsdale3 on Monday October 28, 2024 @07:33PM (#41977735)
I have the same Mac and problem.

I used OWC parts to make a 16 TB m2 SSD array that connects over Thunderbolt. It's fast enough to edit 8K footage, just like the internal disk. Look for the 4-bay Thunderbolt enclosure on Amazon. I did add extra cooling (heatsinks on the modules, and a bigger fan).

Total cost was about $2000.

Re:New iMac with M4 by codersfocus on Monday October 28, 2024 @07:28PM (#41977682)
You could buy an SD card that goes up to 2TB and keep it permanently in your macbook using a shortened version like so:

https://www.adafruit.com/product/1569

Re:New iMac with M4 by conradev on Monday October 28, 2024 @07:32PM (#41977724)
I have one of those suckers, but the read/write performance is nowhere near the multi GB/s speeds of the NAND. Could be useful for archival, but it wasn’t great for blockchain indexing or running VMs.

USB4 can hit those speeds, but then you’re in dongle town.

Re:New iMac with M4 by dzhiurgis on Monday October 28, 2024 @07:56PM (#41977889)
Same here, these cards suck. Even loading an mp3 takes few seconds, it's insane.
Re:New iMac with M4 by Reason077 on Monday October 28, 2024 @06:35PM (#41977243)
> "I think it's extremely overestimated by the technical crowd how many people would ever upgrade their RAM or SSD in their Macbook."

Back in the day when this was possible (iBooks, Powerbooks, early-model MacBooks), I'd say that a large percentage of Mac laptops eventually did get upgraded. I certainly upgraded 100% of the Macs I owned and also did many for friends and family. Some models made upgrades quite easy: the RAM slots, especially, were often accessible without special tools. It was common to buy the base model Mac with the fastest CPU, then install your own RAM modules and big HDD/SSD to save money. Swapping HDDs out for SSDs was also, of course, a huge performance upgrade for a while.

Even non-technical users who wouldn't upgrade their Macs on their own would often trade them in to dealers/resellers who would refurbish and upgrade them for resale.

Re:New iMac with M4 by indymike on Monday October 28, 2024 @06:18PM (#41977061)
The article is about the desktop iMac model. Regardless, I think many would upgrade because ssds are cheap... RAM would lead to customers getting another year or two out of their computer...
Re:New iMac with M4 by rbanffy on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @04:56AM (#41981049)
Its very easy to upgrade storage on any desktop machine - my Mac Mini has a couple external drives attached to it. In the case of an iMac, a little Velcro tape would even hide them behind the screen.
Re:New iMac with M4 by hajile on Monday October 28, 2024 @06:45PM (#41977326)
Apple wants $1200 for a 4TB SSD. I'm sure a LOT of people would gladly pay $300 for a top-end SSD of the same size and pay someone to install it for $100 and still save $800 on the price of the machine.
Re:New iMac with M4 by 7speter on Monday October 28, 2024 @08:35PM (#41978169)
Yet, Macbooks had upgradeable ram and storage upto about 12 or 13 years ago.
Re:New iMac with M4 by guappa on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:33AM (#41980389)
Yeah I bought some extra RAM for my old macbook (which wasn't old at the time).

It was even easy to do it, no need to take it all apart. There was a lid behind the battery.

Remember that for people who used computers in that period, opening a computer to replace a component was a completely normal operation.

Re:New iMac with M4 by numpad0 on Monday October 28, 2024 @10:14PM (#41978699)
Agreed, it's just minority of users trying to defer extra $2500 upfront, and also about managing RAM capacity arms race. There is no engineering reason a laptop has to be upgraded _later_ to e.g. 8way/192GB/6TB configuration.

That said, I do think upgradable laptops are important as a resistance force against constant upgrades and planned obsolescence; if you could hypothetically add 2x32GB DDR4-2100 to a decade old ThinkPad and run stolen Apple Intelligence LLM just fine, the humanity wouldn't need $5k worth of labor wasted on one laptop per person per year.

Re:New iMac with M4 by guappa on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:30AM (#41980363)
There's no engineering reason that makes RAM on apple computers cost much more than market prices. But it's convenient to apple…
Re:New iMac with M4 by rowanG077 on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @05:19AM (#41993159)
Completely custom chip? Best webcams? Extremely tidy internals. Insane audio. You can hate on apple for many reasons but that their hardware is top class and this will demand much more engineering cost is really clear.
Re:New iMac with M4 by Tepix on Tuesday October 29, 2024 @03:03AM (#41980171)
Just look at the latest iMac M4. Going from 256GB SSD to 512GB costs 230€. Going from 256GB to 1TB costs 460€. The smallest model isn't offered with 2TB (or more). The upgrade from 512GB to 2TB on the better model costs 690€

You're saying few people would buy the 256GB model and pop in a fast 2TB M.2 SSD for 103€ if they could?