The AI Investment Boom

Re:The AI Investment Boom by thwarted on Sunday October 20, 2024 @06:05PM (#41898863)

An LLM is an application that runs on an operating system like any other application. That the vendor of the operating system has tied it to the operating system is purely a marketing/force-it-onto-your-device/force-it-in-front-of-your-face play. It's forced bundling, just like Microsoft did with Internet Explorer 20 years ago.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by aurareturn on Sunday October 20, 2024 @06:52PM (#41899134)

I predict that OpenAI will try to circumvent iOS and Android by making their own device. I think it will be similar to Rabbit R1, but not a scam, and a lot more capable.

They recently hired Jony Ive on a project - it could be this.

I think it'll be a long term goal - maybe in 3-4 years, a device similar to the Rabbit R1 would be viable. It's far too early right now.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by marcus_holmes on Sunday October 20, 2024 @09:59PM (#41900088)

Even if this is true (and I'm not saying it's not), they probably won't create their own OS. They'd be smarter to do what Apple did and clone a BSD (or similar) rather than start afresh.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by aurareturn on Monday October 21, 2024 @02:38AM (#41901274)

The LLM would become the OS.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by marcus_holmes on Monday October 21, 2024 @03:54AM (#41901726)

An LLM cannot "become" an OS. It can have an OS added to it, for sure, but that's a different thing. LLMs run on top of a software stack that runs on top of an OS. Incorporating that whole stack into a single binary does not mean it "becomes" an OS.

And the point stands: you would not write a new OS, even to incorporate it into your LLM. You'd clone a BSD (or similar) and start there.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by aurareturn on Monday October 21, 2024 @06:01AM (#41902470)

I don't think you're getting the main point. The only application that this physical device would run is ChatGPT (or some successor). You won't be able to install other apps on it like a normal OS. Everything you do is inside this LLM.

Underneath, it can be Linux, BSD, Unix, or nothing at all, whatever. It doesn't matter. That's not important.

OS was just a convenient phrase to describe this idea.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by guitarlimeo on Monday October 21, 2024 @08:05AM (#41903237)

I got your main point from the first message, but still don't like redefining terminology like OS to mean what you did.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by aurareturn on Monday October 21, 2024 @09:56AM (#41904202)

Think of iOS and everything that it does such as downloading apps, opening apps, etc. Replace all of that with ChatGPT.

No need to get to the technicals such as whether it's UNIX or Linux talking to the hardware.

Just from a pure user experience standpoint, OpenAI would become iOS.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by ogogmad on Monday October 21, 2024 @11:01AM (#41904933)

I don't think "OS" means anything definitive. It's not 1960. Nowadays, it's a thousand separate things stuck together.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by marcus_holmes on Monday October 21, 2024 @08:45PM (#41910102)

I think what you mean is "Desktop" not "OS". You're just replacing all the windows, menus and buttons with a chat interface.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by glimshe on Monday October 21, 2024 @06:17AM (#41902566)

The LLM can't abstract PCI, USB, SATA etc from itself.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by ogogmad on Monday October 21, 2024 @11:03AM (#41904964)

What counts as an OS is subjective. The concept has always been a growing snowball.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by whywhywhywhy on Monday October 21, 2024 @09:09AM (#41903781)

Would be extremely surprising if it were anything other than an Android fork. The differentiator is gonna be the LLM, always on listening and the physical interface to it.

You're just burning money bothering to rewrite the rest of the stack when off the shelf will save you years.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by tightbookkeeper on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:28AM (#41900926)

I’m not even sure if they can make a website that takes text input to an executable and dumps the output.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by vrighter on Monday October 21, 2024 @05:34AM (#41902275)

even then, the llm cannot possibly be a standalone os. For one thing, it cannot execute loops. So even something as simple as enumerating hardware at startup is impossible.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by simonh on Monday October 21, 2024 @08:12AM (#41903291)

This is a similar situation to the view that the web would replace operating systems. All we'd need is a browser.

I don't think AI is ultimately even an application, it's a feature we will use in applications.

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Re:The AI Investment Boom by gpderetta on Monday October 21, 2024 @10:56AM (#41904880)

> This is a similar situation to the view that the web would replace operating systems. All we'd need is a browser.

well, that's not a false statement. As much as I might dislike it, the raise of the web and web applications have made the OS themselves irrelevant for a significant number for tasks.

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