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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by krick on Sunday October 20, 2024 @05:39PM (#41898704)
It's not just USA, it's pretty much universal, as much as I've seen it. People like to pretend like it's some sort of noble profession, but I vividly remember having a conversation with recently graduated ex-classmates, where one of them was complaining that she failed to pass at every department she applied to, so she has no other choice than to apply for department of education (I guess? I don't know what is the name of the American equivalent of that thing: bachelor-level program for people who are going to be teachers). At that moment I felt suddenly validated in all my complaints about the system we just passed through.
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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by Gud on Monday October 21, 2024 @12:02AM (#41900573)
In some countries teaching is a highly respected profession.

Switzerland and Finland comes to mind.

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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by llm_trw on Monday October 21, 2024 @01:53AM (#41901040)
You can't eat respect.
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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by Gud on Monday October 21, 2024 @02:48AM (#41901357)
They are well compensated.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/swiss-salaries-teachers...

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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by CalRobert on Monday October 21, 2024 @03:15AM (#41901518)
That article, after a very pushy illegal gdpr consent banner, says pay is stagnant and hours long
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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by Gud on Monday October 21, 2024 @04:20AM (#41901870)
Hours are long for everyone in Switzerland.

110k in Switzerland is a good pay today. The article is from 2017.

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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by benjaminfh on Monday October 21, 2024 @02:14AM (#41901150)
In those places salary (and good public services) follows respect
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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by llm_trw on Monday October 21, 2024 @04:01AM (#41901749)
Having lived in 'one of those places' no salary does not.
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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by twoWhlsGud on Monday October 21, 2024 @02:08AM (#41901119)
I went to public schools in middle class neighborhoods in California from the late sixties to the early eighties. My teachers were largely excellent. I think that was due to cultural and economic factors - teaching was considered a profession for idealistic folks to go into at the time and the spread between rich and poor was less dramatic in the 50s and 60s (when my teachers were deciding their professions). So the culture made it attractive and economics made it possible. Another critical thing we seem to have lost.
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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by CalRobert on Monday October 21, 2024 @03:14AM (#41901509)
It was the tail end of when smart women had few intellectually stimulating options and teacher was a decent choice.
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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by AStonesThrow on Monday October 21, 2024 @03:41AM (#41901667)
For hundreds of years, women could have amazing opportunities by pursuing a religious vocation, get fantastic education in their religious order, and then enjoy a fulfilling life-long ministry in health care, education, social services, etc. All her material and spiritual needs would be provided by her community. For life. Not merely until retirement. Until she died.

Furthermore, young lay women could start out as teachers, which is a fantastic way to learn how to care for young children, and when such a seasoned teacher would eventually marry and begin her childbearing years, she was quite well-prepared to care for children of her own.

Nowadays, fewer and fewer women know how to be homemakers, mothers, or wives, and so they just want to go straight into STEM and/or "girlboss" type stuff. Any women who actually wish to care for children, or educate them, is perceived as weak and reactionary.

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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by amanaplanacanal on Monday October 21, 2024 @05:11AM (#41902134)
It appears you think that giving women the same opportunities as men is a bad thing.
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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by foldr on Monday October 21, 2024 @05:22AM (#41902204)
AStonesThrow has, err, strong opinions on this kind of thing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41885547

I would question the utility of engaging.

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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by watwut on Monday October 21, 2024 @05:31AM (#41902253)
What I take from this is that you dont like reading about history much, with clear exception of overly optimistic religious texts. The religious vocation frequently got you into pretty abusive situation and the #1 expectation was "obeisance". That was what you was supposed to do, primary. Not exactly what person you are responding to is writing about.

Moreover, women never needed to start out as teachers to "be ready for childcare". The childcare expectations were much lower at the time, but amount of chores at home massively higher.

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Re:AI Detectors Falsely Accuse Students of Cheating–With Big... by smokel on Monday October 21, 2024 @02:19AM (#41901171)
Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy. We educate everyone to be the smartest person in the class, and then we don't have jobs for them. And then we complain that education is not good enough. Shouldn't we conclude that education is already a bit too good?
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