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Re:Language is not essential for the cognitive processes tha... by weard_beard on Saturday October 19, 2024 @06:28PM (#41891277)
To a point. If you drill down this far into the fundamentals of cognition you begin to define it. Otherwise you may as well call a cantaloupe sentient
Re:Language is not essential for the cognitive processes tha... by jebarker on Saturday October 19, 2024 @06:32PM (#41891297)
I don't think anyone defines AI as "doing the thing that biological brains do" though, we define it in terms of capabilities of the system.
Re:Language is not essential for the cognitive processes tha... by weard_beard on Saturday October 19, 2024 @10:22PM (#41892416)
I think if you gave it the same biological inputs as a biological brain you would quickly see the lack of capabilities in any man made system.
Re:Language is not essential for the cognitive processes tha... by Dylan16807 on Sunday October 20, 2024 @01:54AM (#41893199)
Okay, but does that help us reach any meaningful conclusions? For example, okay some AI system doesn't have the capabilities of an auditory cortex or somatosensory cortex. Is there a reason for me to think it needs that?
Re:Language is not essential for the cognitive processes tha... by weard_beard on Sunday October 20, 2024 @09:07AM (#41895128)
Name a creature on earth without one.

Imagine trying to limit, control, or explain a being without familiar cognitive structures.

Is there a reason to care about such unfamiliar modalities of cognition?

Re:Language is not essential for the cognitive processes tha... by Dylan16807 on Sunday October 20, 2024 @04:18PM (#41898190)
> Name a creature on earth without one.

Anything that doesn't have a spine, I'm pretty sure.

Also if we look at just auditory, tons of creatures are deaf and don't need that.

> Imagine trying to limit, control, or explain a being without familiar cognitive structures.

I don't see why any of that that affects whether it's intelligent.

Re:Language is not essential for the cognitive processes tha... by weard_beard on Sunday October 20, 2024 @09:31PM (#41899935)
Agreed: Perhaps we aught to be studying cognition of creatures without spines before we claim to replicate or understand cognition of creatures with them.

Presumably they have some sort biological input processing or sensory inputs. They don't eat data.