Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by voidwtf on Friday October 18, 2024 @05:05PM
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Is the problem the tenets of communism? or is the problem the dictators and strongmen who inevitably rise to the top?
or the corruption that grows from unchecked power?
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by blackhawkC17 on Friday October 18, 2024 @08:03PM
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Communism requires a strongman to enforce top-down.
Most people would reject communism if they had the freedom, so the freedom is one of the first things to go under communist rule.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by kyleee on Friday October 18, 2024 @05:08PM
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Hard to say, but a good governance system must guard against the inevitable abuses of all in power (really at all levels)
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by worstspotgain on Friday October 18, 2024 @07:00PM
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It's primarily the lack of incentives, e.g. China in 1990 compared to 2010.
Communism's "time in the sun" was not really about its ideological merits. It was just something fed to the intellectuals to get them to buy into the Russian/Soviet planetary takeover. It made people believe they were fighting for a cause rather than someone else's petty interest.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by proc0 on Friday October 18, 2024 @11:24PM
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All of the above, and they're linked together. Communism requires centralization of decision making, which creates huge bottlenecks, stunts growth, and also becomes a single point of failure that a corrupt leader can easily takeover.
The only reason communism keeps re-emerging is because it takes advantage of people's empathy, promising that it can directly address the needs of the many.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by jrflowers on Saturday October 19, 2024 @12:00AM
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I’ve always wondered —- if communism is so inherently flawed that it will by definition go away on its own, why bother punishing or fighting it? The US embargo on Cuba seems kind of silly if communism would evaporate on its own
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by proc0 on Saturday October 19, 2024 @12:01AM
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I literally stated the opposite of that.. it keeps re-emerging because it takes advantage of feelings. People want to fix the problems of the world, communism offers solutions that don't work but sound nice.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by jrflowers on Saturday October 19, 2024 @12:07AM
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I see, I misunderstood you. You were saying that there is no issue inherent to the tenets of communism that would make it fail
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by graeme on Saturday October 19, 2024 @07:13AM
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You're referring to the govt failing to maintain itself in power, whereas OP is referring to a govt failing as a functional system for the improvement of society.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by yongjik on Saturday October 19, 2024 @12:20AM
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I'm no fan of communism but that's a reductive take. China of today is communist in name only, but it's still very centrally managed, and that didn't stop China from becoming a global economic superpower. One could say something similar for Japan of the early 20th century, or, to a lesser extent, South Korea in the 60s when the economy was very much centrally planned under a dictator.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by victorbojica on Saturday October 19, 2024 @12:28AM
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I'd call that luck. Wait until a bad or stupid actor gets to power. This is the main problem with communism. It all depends on one single person and how they are.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by gruez on Saturday October 19, 2024 @12:50AM
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>I'd call that luck. Wait until a bad or stupid actor gets to power.
See: their zero covid policy. Great at first, but the stuck dogmatically to it even after omicron, which led to massive deaths.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by yongjik on Saturday October 19, 2024 @01:22AM
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I'll grant that communism makes it easy for a single person to have all the power, but "one single person in power can ruin everything" is not exactly unique to communism, and I am unconvinced that it explains why communist nations tend to stay poor.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by victorbojica on Saturday October 19, 2024 @11:46AM
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Happens everywhere, but the way power in communism works makes bad stuff happen many times faster. In democracy there is a long time until a bad actor can do real damage. There are policies and various mechanisms that prevent that(to a point). Even bureaucracy works to some extent.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by throwaway199956 on Friday October 18, 2024 @11:51PM
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May be you should visit Haiti and see which is better.
Re:Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness
by ecocentrik on Saturday October 19, 2024 @02:01AM
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Haiti has many, many other problems including being severely deforested.
My grandfather use to say "80 years of communism and we are still lining up for bread to eat and soap to wash with". Can you believe there are those who still embrace it, think they can do it better and it will be a utopia.