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Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by stavros on Thursday October 17, 2024 @06:12AM (#41868103)
Why wouldn't it? Capitalism ensures that price drops reach the customer (unless there are cartels, of course, which are game-theoretically hard).
Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by BiteCode_dev on Thursday October 17, 2024 @07:04AM (#41868397)
Continuous inflation without raised salaries means exactly the opposite of this.

I ran a python script the other day using the French state data on pricing. Minimal wage was about 1000 euros after tax in 2003, and is 1300 in 2023. But 1000 in 2003 is about 2300 euros in 2023 according to the same official data.

I don't know a single vital thing in my life that is not more expensive now than when I was a kid: food, water, energy, shelter, clothes, health... They are all more expensive.

Now sure, internet access is less expensive and better, but you can't eat wifi.

Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by lotsofpulp on Thursday October 17, 2024 @07:16AM (#41868481)
Why would one expect those things to not be more expensive? Governments explicitly and intentionally manipulate currency so that prices (overall) are on an upward march.

Also, comparing changes in income deciles over time would be more useful than minimum wage changes, as legislatures are not necessarily reacting in real time.

> food, water, energy, shelter, clothes, health

Many of these are things where technological advances resulting in greater and greater economies of scale plateaued, or where technological advances mean that your expectation of the quality of goods or service greatly increased.

The former would be water/energy/shelter/food/clothes. The world has a lot more people competing for these resources, but there was no commensurate increase in supply.

The latter would be health, where the healthcare from your childhood is a greatly different product (at the advanced levels, not necessarily the routine checkup or flu visit).

Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by BiteCode_dev on Thursday October 17, 2024 @09:42AM (#41869597)
Given that prices for health in the US are exorbitant because they are based on the free market and the prices in France much cheaper (even when you pay 100% of of pocket) because the market is state controled, I have a hard time to take your comment seriously.

But I'm sure you will find a reason while health is an exception.

Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by lotsofpulp on Thursday October 17, 2024 @09:54AM (#41869696)
> But I'm sure you will find a reason while health is an exception.

Pretty easy to find an exception when you start with a false premise.

> Given that prices for health in the US are exorbitant because they are based on the free market

Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by xscott on Thursday October 17, 2024 @01:15PM (#41871559)
We'll never know if prices would be exorbitant under a free market in the US because we've got a nasty mix of corrupt insurance companies, healthcare administrators, and political lobbying (bribery) keeping it from being a free market. Generally we can't even ask the price of a procedure with which to compare providers, and for most insurance, you can't even choose your provider anyways. Does that sound like a free market to you?!?

As the other poster pointed out: Your logic is flawed because your premise is wrong. If the US had state controlled medical, I have no doubt our politicians would figure out some way to ruin that too.

Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by stuaxo on Thursday October 17, 2024 @07:15AM (#41868469)
Unchecked capitalism trys hard to turn into feudalism.
Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by formerly_proven on Thursday October 17, 2024 @07:19AM (#41868499)
France, a state with famously unchecked capitalism bordering on libertarian anarcho-capitalism.
Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by defrost on Thursday October 17, 2024 @06:28AM (#41868200)
Right now the entities in the EV battery game want to build out, it's unlikely therefore they'd constrict and choke an ever increasing demand.

That said, there absolutely is the potential for large key players to aquire more control and|or to maximise their profits rather than minimise and end price.

    Today’s battery and minerals supply chains revolve around China

    China produces three-quarters of all lithium-ion batteries and is home to 70% of production capacity for cathodes and 85% for anodes (both are key components of batteries). Over half of lithium, cobalt and graphite processing and refining capacity is located in China.

    Europe is responsible for over one-quarter of global EV assembly, but it is home to very little of the supply chain apart from cobalt processing at 20%.

    The United States has an even smaller role in the global EV battery supply chain, with only 10% of EV production and 7% of battery production capacity.

    Korea and Japan have considerable shares of the supply chain downstream of raw material processing, particularly in the highly technical production of cathode and anode material. Korea is responsible for 15% of global cathode material production capacity, while Japan accounts for 14% of cathode and 11% of anode material production. Korean and Japanese companies are also involved in the production of other battery components such as separators.

    Most key minerals are mined in resource-rich countries such as Australia, Chile and the Democratic Republic of Congo, and handled by a few major companies.
https://www.iea.org/reports/global-supply-chains-of-ev-batte...
Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by FooBarBizBazz on Thursday October 17, 2024 @07:56AM (#41868788)
> Why wouldn't [the price drop]?

For the same reason that Americans can't buy a BYD Seagull.

Re:EV battery prices to fall by nearly 50 pct and near ICE p... by tdb7893 on Thursday October 17, 2024 @06:44AM (#41868280)
I would say competitive markets more than capitalism are responsible for that and we've seen many many cartels and monopolies (even with legislation against them) so it's weird to imply that they aren't fairly very common. It also doesn't need to be a full cartel, there is a lot of tacit collusion between companies or other mechanisms where they don't really compete.