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Re:Rebooting the Arsenal of Democracy by aguaviva on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @04:55PM (#41863772)
We've seen the US throw a massive hissy fit in the Cuban Missile crisis because of Soviet gear in Cuba and that was much more benign than a full military integration.

Except there was no "full military integration" in the works, or even any "gear" deployed in Ukraine before Putin started throwing his massy hissy fit in 2014.

Because the major point of that infrastructure is to kill lots of Russians?

The point is to gently remind the current regime of the borders of NATO states, and of this thing known as Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty.

Re:Rebooting the Arsenal of Democracy by roenxi on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @05:10PM (#41863890)
> NATO decided it would not yet offer membership to Georgia and Ukraine; nevertheless, NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said that Georgia and Ukraine would eventually become members

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine-NATO_relations#Buchare...

Former NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer seems to disagree with that assessment, there were plans. That was around the time that Russia started activating their military as it became clear that NATO leadership could not be reasoned with. And that was even before the 2014 coup that coincidentally set up a pro-NATO government.

Re:Rebooting the Arsenal of Democracy by mopsi on Thursday October 17, 2024 @09:18PM (#41875520)
> Former NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer seems to disagree with that assessment, there were plans.

There were none, this "eventually" was an empty consolation without any timeframe, and was widely criticized as such at the time. No gear, no integration - and no desire to move in that direction.

> And that was even before the 2014 coup that coincidentally set up a pro-NATO government.

There was no coup in Ukraine. Ukraine became very interested in the military alliance after Russia invaded them.