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Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by svara on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @04:53PM (#41792491)
Exactly, it's "just" the market setting the price.

The issue is that these are near monopolies, so the market isn't efficient.

In other words, if those companies didn't have monopoly power, other businesses (or non-commercial entities) might be able to afford to hire some of these people as well, which might be beneficial overall for innovation.

That's the economic argument and it's pretty clean imo.

But as far as I'm concerned personally, I would really prefer to live in a world in which smart people work on human flourishing... rather than whatever that is.

Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by s1artibartfast on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @05:21PM (#41792797)
I think that's exactly the point I was getting it. Who decides what efficient is, and what do they measure. You might care about vision algorithms, and I might care about hamburgers.

From the economics perspective, something being Monopoly doesn't mean it's inefficient.

Depending on the situation, they can be far more efficient then diverse companies, or much less

Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by simiones on Thursday October 10, 2024 @07:57AM (#41797955)
> From the economics perspective, something being Monopoly doesn't mean it's inefficient.

From an economics perspective, if there is a monopoly, there is no free market, so you can't rely on the market for efficiency. A monopoly can be efficient, but it can also be arbitrarily inefficient and still keep its position.

Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by s1artibartfast on Thursday October 10, 2024 @12:33PM (#41800563)
you are correct and I agree.

I was trying to make the point that monopoly isnt defined by inefficiency, either by the technical definition or the colloquial one.

Rality is complex, and few monopolies can be arbitrarily inefficient. I think this is where a lot of the public confusion about monopiles comes from.

If you have the only grocery store or gas station in town, it might seem like there is a monopoly. There is probably a wide leeway to raise prices or be inefficient, but not without limit or else someone would compete.

If Amazon, Google, or whomever 10X'd their prices, competitors would arise.

Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by LunaSea on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @06:05PM (#41793209)
The market is shit at making long term risky bets that require a lot of R&D.

That's the reason why quantum computing and projects of this type would not exist if you didn't have behemoth companies with extra cash lying around.

Re:US weighs Google break-up in landmark antitrust case by animal_spirits on Wednesday October 09, 2024 @11:02PM (#41795052)
The problem with your ideals is that every one has different ideas on what "human flourishing" looks like. One way or the other, if it is Government that is in charge of "human flourishing", then some group of people are going to benefit at the expense of another group of people, at the discretion of whoever currently has the most political clout.