> Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild.

I am curious, was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings at Intel? I have often heard these reports, but in a social context.

I have never personally observed this in professional settings; but am curious to hear more so I can watch out for it if/when I do encounter it. It's odd because I would struggle to hold a professional conversation in any of the Indian languages that I speak (I have no idea how to say something like "thermal characteristics" or "power dissipation" in them); and would likely keep lapsing into English.

I have many Indian colleagues and they do tend not to speak English among them in the office. There needs to be someone else involved in the conversation for them to stick to English.

Another aspect is that I have found that they are quite hierarchical, probably a cultural trait. So how much they stick to English also depends on how senior the "non-Indian(s)" are compared to them. If you are their senior they are be nice.

> was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings

This happened frequently at a WITCH I worked at out of college. The meeting would be in English then have segments change in the middle as certain speakers switched languages. Luckily, I often had a coworker stand up for me to mention to use English although I did miss many conversations.

> WITCH stands for the Indian tech giants – W- Wipro I- Infosys T- TCS C- Cognizant H- HCL A- Accenture India

In case anyone else was wondering about that acronym.

I have no idea what they were talking about. For all I know they could have been talking about soccer.

There was an article exposing it wasn't just for / between Indians.

Indians were actively discriminating against other Indians if they weren't born into the "highest" caste of hinduism (the few percent only allowed to learn to read and write), or avoiding the "lowest caste" of hinduism (way over 90 percent).

This caste system discrimination in tech, is also used to discriminate against other minorities who are not Indian, originating from the Indian subcontinent.

Trapped in Silicon Valley's Hidden Caste System https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidde...

Insight: Caste in California: Tech giants confront ancient Indian hierarchy https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/caste-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-pro...

More: https://www.google.com/search?q=silicon+valley+caste+system

Canada has been dealing with this more proactively than most counties with Indian diasporas, a process no doubt aided by the by the significant number of indo-canadian politicians familiar with the issue.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-human-rights-...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/caste-discri...

https://www.trtworld.com/americas/toronto-school-board-recog...

I worked at a company with a large multi-ethnic workforce. They had an Indian subsidiary but didn't play the H1B game. The rule was English only in the office to avoid exclusion.

Same experience here.

On a positive note I got replaced by a guy in India. Then after a year of them clambering over each other’s corpses for promotion and destroying the org from the inside, I got hired back on contract to unfuck the mess at 4x my previous salaried rate.

Nothing against India or Indians but the reason outsourcing fails is no one wants to be an outsourced workforce so they go for promotion first to get a better job. And I don’t blame them.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the Indian folks if Trump gets elected.

He's been talking a lot about deporting immigrants and how immigrants are polluting the gene pool[0]. He's even threatening to deport those who are documented or naturalized[1].

Many IT/tech jobs may open up in a big hurry.

0:https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/07/trump-immigrants-cr... 1: https://newrepublic.com/post/186693/donald-trump-threatening...

Highly misleading. From 1:

> During an exclusive interview with NewsNation, Trump said he planned to strip the legal status of the Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, who have been granted Temporary Protected Status.

Temporary Protected Status[0] is not nearly the same thing as having a green card or being naturalized.

[0] https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/temporary-protected-statu...

Nothing? Trump talks a lot. He didn't "drain the swamp" while he was president and he did not release the Kennedy CIA archives (he promised both).

He'll get a call from Thiel or Musk that they still need H1Bs, and that will be the end of it.

(I still think Trump is the lesser evil, since he is far more competent in foreign policy and the economy will improve. And he does exactly nothing w.r.t the scary sounding election talk.)

> since he is far more competent in foreign policy

The guy foreign leaders call the "laughing fool"?

> the economy will improve.

Trump's plans would cause the economy to shrink by 10% and cause 28% inflation, according to independent analysis. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/26/business/economy/trump-ec...

The world was far more stable in 2016-2020. It does not matter what someone is called. Just watch what actually happens and overlook all the talk (we might as well explore what Harris is called; I think the attribute is "cackling" and not "laughing").

The NYT is not unbiased when it comes to Trump and none of these plans will be implemented. Again, the economy was good in 2016-2020.

Judge not by absolute standings but by relative standings. During the Trump presidency our competitor's economies were growing faster than America's: China, Germany, et cetera. America was losing its status as #1. During the Biden presidency every economy but America's took an absolute beating. Britain & Germany went into a deep recession. China's growth flatlined. America was pretty much the only economy to avoid getting curb-stomped and regained its status as the clear #1 economy.

Anybody can do well when there's a rising tide raising all boats. It takes a true master to do OK when everybody else is doing poorly.

P.S. The NYT has a significant both-sides-ism bias and is the only place you'll find pro-Trump articles outside of the right wing media.

> every economy but America's took an absolute beating. Britain & Germany went into a deep recession.

If you blow up Nordstream and lead the Europeans in a war that they only lose from, then their economies will tank. Inflation and job losses for ordinary Americans are high as well. Perhaps on paper the economy is doing relatively well.

(It is the first time that I have heard anyone describing Biden as a true master.)

You have to be consistent. If you say that presidents aren't responsible for external events, then you can't give Trump credit for the smooth sailing lack of external evennts of 2016-2019. If you say that they are, then you have to give Biden credit for weathering the storm during his presidency.

> (It is the first time that I have heard anyone describing Biden as a true master.)

Just letting the Fed do their job deserves most of the credit. Should be table stakes, but Trump has promised to %^@# that up.

I don't need or even want a US president to be respected by other countries leaders. All I need is for the POTUS to not get this country involved in more foreign wars. Trump is a lapdog of Israel so he doesn't fit this bill, but what I'm saying is "foreign leaders laugh at him" falls flat. IDGAF.

Trump is planning on surrendering to Russia. (There's no other way to "end the war in a day"). That's a massive signal of weakness to America's adversaries.

America is not at war with Russia, yet.

America is not in a hot war with Russia. You are in an information war and you're taking a beating.

He talks of deporting illegal immigtants —something Harris also now claims is a problem and moreover claims they are more efficient at the border than Trump was ;that’s a dubious claim but it shows she sees it as a problem as well. Over 60% of voters also see illegal immigration as a very serious problem, more see it as an issue. In addition India itself is strict and also deports illegals.

If this has really been going on for more than a decade I wonder what your labor regulators are doing. This is a clear-cut issue of bad labor policy.

Safe to say that 2010 was the beginning of Intel's downfall