by body count? the soviets

Let me put it differently. Who won World War II?

You can never win a war against an ideology.

The only way to destroy an idea is with better ideas.

Unfortunately “better” is a subjective term.

Do you really intend to argue that "better than Nazism" is subjective?

Not at all. Nazism is disgusting, horrific, indefensible, and should be condemned at every turn.

But nazis would argue that it’s better (that’s why they’re nazis). That’s why it’s so hard to kill an ideology and why my original comment used the word “unfortunately.”

Okay, but there are plenty of objective truths that people disagree with. The fact that the earth is approximately spherical is objective truth, regardless of the existence of flat earthers.

I feel pretty okay saying "nazism is wrong" is about as objectively true as a statement of ethics can be.

Counterpoint: Nazis aren't here to engage you in good faith debates, so it would be a mistake to attempt to defeat them by doing that.

Fascists don't believe that, and will happily kill people with different ideas if they get the power to do so.

This is the paradox of tolerance. It's pretty well understood, except apparently on online message boards where there are somehow always a bunch of people ready to jump to the intellectual defense of Nazis (evidence: this comments page.)

>Fascists don't believe that, and will happily kill people with different ideas if they get the power to do so.

That belief is one of the reasons Fascism is wrong.

Communists have killed their political opponents as well. I don't think it's limited to Nazis.

I never said it was.

FYI, whataboutism in a thread about Nazis makes it look a little like you're defending Nazism. Was that your intent? If not, what did you intend to add to the conversation with this (true) observation?

Me being even-handed makes me look like I'm defending nazis? LOL.

>>If not, what did you intend to add to the conversation with this (true) observation?

The point that all extremism is bad, not just one side or the other. A point you failed to make.

Yeah, that's why the war on terrorism is going so well. It's only been 24 years, I'm sure we'll have that stamped out any minute.

Then we can go back to re-winning against Nazism after we stamped it out the past 80 years... actually it never really disappeared.

So much winning going on.

If it's an ideology of genocide, there is a way to win that war. Kill them first.