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Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by manoweb on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:08PM (#41750860)
OK but Chinamen guts are traditionally different compared to European or American; all my Asian coworkers barely eat any cheese They should repeat this test for different ethnic groups to be more complete.
Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by Texasian on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:10PM (#41750875)
Did… you really just use the term Chinamen in 2024?
Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by surgical_fire on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:11PM (#41750889)
Would chinaperson be better?
Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by ramesh31 on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:12PM (#41750893)
>Did… you really just use the term Chinamen in 2024?

Yeah it's really not the preferred nomenclature.

Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by secondcoming on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:47PM (#41751136)
Almost as bad as using ellipses in a sentence for dramatic effect...
Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by spondylosaurus on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:46PM (#41751128)
Lactose tolerance is a fluke, not the norm. Unless you're of European (+ non-Jewish) descent, you probably won't be able to digest most dairy products as an adult.
Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by gojomo on Saturday October 05, 2024 @01:30PM (#41751443)
I know that's the conventional wisdom, but as an adult of European descent who usually handles lactose/dairy well, I sometimes have periods of reduced tolerance, perhaps due to changes in my gut biome.

And there's evidence even lactose-intolerant ("lactase nonpersistent") demographics can tolerate ever-larger amounts of lactose with a gradual ramp-up of consumption that shifts their gut biomes in a different direction:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38159728/

There's a chance the conventional view overweights human genetics and underweights biome, which could create a self-fulfilling diagnosis of "lactose intolerance".

That is: a person notices a bad reaction, and is told (influenced by demographic tendencies) "oh, as an adult you'll inevitably be lactose-intolerant". They avoid dairy, further thinning (or completely eliminating) the bacteria that could help from their gut, ensuring a more-noticeable negative reaction upon further consumption.

OTOH, if the right bacterial mix was maintained, or reintroduced then maintained if necessary, many considering themselves lactose-intolerant might not persistently be.

(Separate from the bacteria themselves assisting in lactose digestion, there's even some chance that the positive or negative shock of a wildly-changed biome might epigenetically affect the beyond-childhood activation of the human genome's own lactase genes – a possibility mentioned in the middle of this microbiologist's writeup: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/17/health/lactose-intolerance-mi... )

Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by spondylosaurus on Saturday October 05, 2024 @02:26PM (#41751846)
My gastroenterologist says that intestinal illness can render you temporarily lactose intolerant for a few weeks after the fact. That might be what's happening to you, or some version of it!
Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by pfdietz on Saturday October 05, 2024 @01:18PM (#41751358)
Lactase persistence is also common in many parts of Africa.
Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by lotsofpulp on Saturday October 05, 2024 @01:25PM (#41751412)
There are a billion plus South Asians that eat a ton of dairy. Cows are even sacred.

Lactose tolerance is a very wide scale, from zero tolerance to even cheese to being able to drink multiple glasses of milk without getting diarrhea.

Based on anecdotal evidence and the seeming popularity of pizza, a lactose intolerance so great that cheese is an issue seems to be rare.

Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by spondylosaurus on Saturday October 05, 2024 @02:24PM (#41751840)
Many cheeses contain little to no lactose, which may be a factor :) But yes, being raised in a dairy-heavy culinary culture is one predictor of continued lactose tolerance into adulthood.
Re:Popular gut probiotic craps out in randomized controlled ... by permo-w on Saturday October 05, 2024 @02:12PM (#41751762)
I would be surprised if they eat any cheese whatsoever. most eastern asians are lactose intolerant