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Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by TekMol on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @10:56AM (#41721262)
Ice delivery guy goes on strike. Demands ban of fridges.
Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by ayaen on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @11:03AM (#41721346)
I am sorry, the analogy is completely lost on me. Care to expand? Thanks.
Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by timkq on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @11:07AM (#41721395)
I'll add another analogy of my own: "guy harvests his own ice, is mad at others for buying it from the store"

He is mad at others using AI on his favorite blogging website. I think it is an insult to himself, because most AI produced articles etc. are unreadable and full of useless filler information - I think the guy can do better.

Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by TekMol on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @11:11AM (#41721452)
Here is how AI explains it:

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TekMol's comment is using a historical analogy to make a point about the current situation with AI. Let's break it down:

The Analogy Explained

    Ice delivery guy = Workers in traditional industries
    Going on strike = Protesting against technological change
    Demanding a ban on fridges = Calling for a ban on AI
Historical Context

Before refrigerators became common household appliances, there was an industry of ice delivery. Workers would cut ice from frozen lakes or produce it in ice houses, then deliver it to homes and businesses for food preservation. The Point of the Analogy

TekMol is suggesting that demanding a ban on AI is similar to how ice delivery workers might have reacted to the invention of refrigerators. Just as refrigerators made ice delivery obsolete, AI is perceived as a threat to certain jobs or industries.

The Implied Message

The comment implies that trying to ban AI (or expressing hate for it) is:

    Futile - like trying to stop technological progress
    Short-sighted - not recognizing the potential benefits of the new technology
    Self-defeating - potentially harming oneself by resisting inevitable change
In essence, the analogy is pointing out that technological progress often disrupts existing industries, but attempting to halt this progress is generally ineffective and may be counterproductive.

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This was my prompt:

TekMol writes a comment about an article where the author expressis his hate for AI: "Ice delivery guy goes on strike. Demands ban of fridges."

ayaen asks: "I am sorry, the analogy is completely lost on me. Care to expand? Thanks."

Can you explain the analogy to ayaen?

Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by poszlem on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @11:07AM (#41721404)
The analogy compares a writer complaining about generative AI to an ice delivery person demanding a ban on refrigerators. Here's the breakdown:

Ice delivery guy = Traditional writer Going on strike = Complaining or protesting Demanding ban of fridges = Calling for restrictions on generative AI The analogy suggests that the writer's complaint about generative AI is as futile and outdated as an ice delivery person trying to ban refrigerators. Just as refrigerators made ice delivery largely obsolete, the implication is that generative AI might be seen as a technological advancement that could potentially impact traditional writing roles.

Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by happytoexplain on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @10:59AM (#41721304)
Why be so snide and dismissive regarding people's livelihoods?
Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by TekMol on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @11:02AM (#41721340)
What I tried to express is how we will look back on this in the future. Demanding a ban of AI will look just as insane as it would be to demand a ban of the wheel, metal, electricity, machines, computers or the internet.
Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by vouaobrasil on Thursday October 03, 2024 @05:43PM (#41735356)
Or the nuclear bomb? Yet we do have a sort of "ban" on it. Some things are just too powerful, and not all technological inventions are good. What about nerve gas? The world has effectively banned that too.
Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by poszlem on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @11:02AM (#41721328)
We have been through this exact scenario hundreds of times with different technologies. As usual, someone's loss is another's gain. For example, people who have ideas to express but are not native English speakers, or those who struggle with expressing themselves in writing, will absolutely benefit from this technology.
Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by consteval on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @05:32PM (#41725160)
> We have been through this exact scenario hundreds of times with different technologies

Yes, and we left people behind repeatedly. You'll notice people who may have intellectual or learning disabilities can no longer find a job with a decent wage in the US. Previously they could, because manual labor jobs were plenty. Now those are automated.

When we further automate and automate, we raise the barrier to entry, because robots or AI can perform the bottom most tasks. So, people who are not capable are left behind, and eventually there will be nobody to work jobs.

If the average job requires reading and writing, most people can do it. If the average job requires a high school diploma, less can do it. If the average job requires a degree, even less can do it, and so on and so on.

Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by TekMol on Thursday October 03, 2024 @03:35AM (#41728177)
More and more work being done by technology and people having more and more leisure time is a bad thing?

Isn't the end result - all work being done by technology and all people having all of their time to spend on fun activities - a pretty nice situation?

Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by cudgy on Thursday October 03, 2024 @07:33AM (#41729627)
Leisure time? You mean “leisure time” digging for food in dumpsters and begging for scraps of change? Or is there some magical money machine that the main benefactors of AI will provide for the “fortunate” people removed from the economy and provided with so much “leisure” time?
Re:Why I'm leaving Medium: AI policy by consteval on Friday October 04, 2024 @10:07AM (#41741573)
> people having more and more leisure time is a bad thing?

What could possibly make you think this is the end result?

In the past 50 years, productivity across the whole economy has went up over an order of magnitude. People in the 70s were working 40 hours a week - are you now working 4 hours?

We don't have precedent for this, is my point. The solution to lost work is make people work something else. My point is what happens when there is no something else for those people to work?

Will we have leisure? Who will pay for uncapable people to have leisure? This sounds like UBI.

> all work being done by technology and all people having all of their time to spend on fun activities

Maybe in the end, but what happens before that? Like, say, 25% of people are "smart" enough to still work a job, what happens to the 75%? Or even 90% of people work but 10% can't, do we just like... kill those 10% or?

We haven't really figured this out.