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Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by kayson on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:53PM (#41673621)
I'm pretty sure Cadence and Synopsys have both released reinforcement-learning-based placing and floor planning tools. How do they compare...?
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by hulitu on Friday September 27, 2024 @05:28PM (#41675707)
They don't. You cannot compare reality (Cadence, Synopsys) with hype (Google).
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by pelorat on Friday September 27, 2024 @06:51PM (#41676298)
So you're basically saying that Google should have used existing tools to layout their chip designs, instead of their ML solution, and that these existing tools would have produced even better chips than the ones they are actually manufacturing?
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by dsv3099i on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:23PM (#41677389)
It’s more like no one outside of Google has been able to reproduce Google’s results. And not for lack of trying. So if you’re outside of Google, at this moment, it’s vapor.
Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by hulitu on Saturday September 28, 2024 @02:30PM (#41682082)
> So you're basically saying that Google should have used existing tools to layout their chip designs, instead of their ML solution

Did they tested their ML solution ? With real world chips ? Are there any "benchmarks" that show that their chip performs better ?

Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by RicoElectrico on Friday September 27, 2024 @06:24PM (#41676122)
Synopsys tools can use ML, but not for the layout itself, rather tuning variables that go into the physical design flow.

> Synopsys DSO.ai autonomously explores multiple design spaces to optimize PPA metrics while minimizing tradeoffs for the target application. It uses AI to navigate the design-technology solution space by automatically adjusting or fine-tuning the inputs to the design (e.g., settings, constraints, process, flow, hierarchy, and library) to find the best PPA targets.

Re:AlphaChip transformed computer chip design by negativeonehalf on Thursday October 03, 2024 @02:45AM (#41727912)
Unfortunately, commercial EDA companies generally have restrictive licensing agreements that prohibit direct public comparison.

Still, the fact that Google uses it for TPU is pretty telling - this is a multi-billion dollar, mission-critical chip design effort, and there's no way they'd make TPU worse just to prop up a research paper. MediaTek's production use is also a good indicator.