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Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by dec0dedab0de on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:02AM (#41670616)
This isn't some "freedom" issue, it's an incredibly huge power asymmetry and I think "we the people" need protection from these forces

No thank you, I can protect myself.

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by stackghost on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:07AM (#41670680)
>No thank you, I can protect myself.

In many ways you actually cannot, in any reasonable way:

- You cannot escape surveillance unless you completely (and I do mean completely) withdraw from modern society

- You cannot protect yourself from subconscious manipulation by advertising and marketing firms that pay billions of dollars to find and exploit subconscious weaknesses that we all possess

- You cannot protect yourself from sweeping changes made (e.g. to legislation) made in response to the interests of lobbyists or bad actors, and in consequence from changes in the behaviour of others, in response

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by ghastmaster on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:38AM (#41671050)
> You cannot protect yourself from subconscious manipulation by advertising and marketing firms that pay billions of dollars to find and exploit subconscious weaknesses that we all possess

By learning the techniques they employ, a subconscious manipulation by them, becomes a conscious observation by us. Education defeats these methods. An argument could be made that more money will be spent to continually find deeper subconscious manipulations. I would wager, the ROI would diminish quickly.

I would rather be manipulated by private industry than controlled by government. I cannot out vote a majority, but I can out wit a billboard.

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by stackghost on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:49AM (#41671177)
>Education defeats these methods.

It does not. For example young women and girls, even when knowing that an image of a fashion model is photoshopped, still exhibit drops in their self body image.

>I would rather be manipulated by private industry than controlled by government.

In many cases these two things are the same, due to the prevalence and efficacy of lobbying

>I can out wit a billboard.

Lots of people believe this, but it is false.

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by ghastmaster on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:58AM (#41672143)
> It does not. For example young women and girls, even when knowing that an image of a fashion model is photoshopped, still exhibit drops in their self body image.

In the natural world traits that are wasted on futile efforts are eventually not selected. In the human world, traits that a ripe for manipulation in a free market would result in lower purchasing power. Thus, less ability to afford children and pass on the traits. Subsidizing via regulations or direct support prolongs the subterfuge we are discussing here. Perhaps, in perpetuity.

> In many cases these two things are the same, due to the prevalence and efficacy of lobbying

The reason there are lobbyist is because we have granted those being lobbied control. Take away the control and the lobbying is pointless. More rules and regulations = more lobbying.

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by biorach on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:26PM (#41672504)
> In the human world, traits that a ripe for manipulation in a free market would result in lower purchasing power. Thus, less ability to afford children and pass on the traits

This is mostly nonsense

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by ghastmaster on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:49PM (#41672789)
Air is mostly nitrogen.

How is it mostly nonsense?

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by Miraste on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:19PM (#41673180)
There are a lot of mistakes here, but for one, lower economic means correlates with more children.
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by stackghost on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:54PM (#41672867)
>Subsidizing via regulations or direct support prolongs the subterfuge we are discussing here. Perhaps, in perpetuity.

>Take away the control and the lobbying is pointless.

This social anarcho-darwinism nonsense doesn't refute my point that you are susceptible to influence and coercion.

You cannot "protect" yourself as the previous poster baselessly asserted.

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by kennyloginz on Saturday September 28, 2024 @07:03PM (#41683530)
Has less purchasing power ever resulted in less children? Would you happen to have a source?
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by debo_ on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:57AM (#41672135)
I wanted to observe how great it is to see "ghastmaster" arguing with "stackghost."
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by card_zero on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:12PM (#41672340)
I liked that in the article, somebody with the name "Poet" grew up to be an economist.
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by thecrash on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:01AM (#41671315)
> I would rather be manipulated by private industry than controlled by government. I cannot out vote a majority, but I can out wit a billboard.

Another way of saying this is that you would rather be controlled through methods which are subtle, novel, and difficult to put a finger on than through methods which are overt and fit traditional narratives of control.

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by card_zero on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:49AM (#41672010)
Cops. On the whole, yes.
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by giraffe_lady on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:47AM (#41671980)
This is why doctors and other healthcare professionals never become addicted to drugs. Right? They know better?
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by dcow on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:22AM (#41670856)
You can’t protect yourself from psychological manipulation that’s unavoidable unless you glue your eyes shut.

Let ads and content feeds exist, but make it illegal for them to be casually viewed by anybody who hasn’t given explicit consent to be exposed to deceit and manipulation. I’m dead serious. It’s a sham that you can cannot drive on public roads without viewing billboards, or get to municipal service announcements without traversing twitter or FB.

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by toss1 on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:58AM (#41672141)
There are some states that outlaw highway billboards, recognizing the blight they are on the landscape. It is IMMEDIATELY better to drive in those states.

Vermont is a great example, which banned billboards, and is adjacent to New Hampshire, a similarly sized and situated adjacent state. Driving into NH after being in VT for a while, it is immediately jarring just how offensive and ugly even a few billboards make the place.

It is a damn reasonable regulation, and more states should have it. No one is going hungry because they can't put up a billboard (especially the damn bright flashing digital billboards).

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by wnc3141 on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:33PM (#41672595)
If it didn't work, no one would make a cent in advertising
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by ziddoap on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:13AM (#41670742)
Even if you can protect yourself from everything (which I would argue you cannot), not everyone is as smart and infallible as you.
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by vitalredundancy on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:22AM (#41670857)
You are not protecting yourself. You are existing within a lifeway and culture where legible and illegible/intangible/unspoken agreements create a context that allows you to believe you are able to protect yourself. Meanwhile, a swirl of beliefs and ideology insulate you from unpredictability, choice, and chaos.
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by cma256 on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:11AM (#41670724)
Let's let 8 year olds drive drunk. I'm more than capable of spotting them on the road and avoiding them.
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by clarkmoody on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:17AM (#41670793)
Are you responding to an 8 year old?
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by cma256 on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:32AM (#41671757)
Will my 8 year old be exposed to sports gambling commercials?
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by joelfried on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:43AM (#41671921)
If they like sports at all you absolutely know they will.
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by brendoelfrendo on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:28AM (#41670937)
They certainly sound like one.
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by bcook on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:10AM (#41670713)
> No thank you, I can protect myself.

There's surely some ways you're unprepared to protect yourself. Since you're unaware, you wouldn't be able to thank them. Ignorance is bliss.

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by snapcaster on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:27AM (#41670922)
Do you have any concern for the people not as strong as you? do they deserve any protection or is okay if they're just preyed on by the strong?
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by throw0101d on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:34AM (#41671003)
> No thank you, I can protect myself.

Said every smoker of tobacco. :)

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by adventured on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:21PM (#41672452)
Black market approaches to attempting to limit / control human behavior are insane and do not work.

That goes for gambling, smoking, prostitution, drinking, drugs, et al.

Education, therapy and taxation are about the only things that have been shown to work reasonably (eg not spurring massive crime outcomes) to introduce effective limiting forces or properly respond to the consequences of excess.

Outlawing gambling is just as insane as outlawing alcohol, smoking, drug use.

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by throw0101d on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:03PM (#41672968)
> Black market approaches to attempting to limit / control human behavior are insane and do not work.

The idea that governments may not be able to (completely?) protect people does not invalidate the the idea that people cannot protect themselves.

Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by DrillShopper on Friday September 27, 2024 @10:20AM (#41670831)
You are not immune to propaganda
Re:Legalizing Sports Gambling Was a Mistake by pmarreck on Saturday September 28, 2024 @10:22AM (#41680389)
Are you a libertarian? What's the libertarian take on this sort of thing, where people have proven time and again that they cannot handle the responsibility without resulting in clearly more demonstrable harm when the guardrails are off?

A more modern example might be people's failure to plan for their financial future or to value critical thinking enough not to be persuaded by charismatic bad-actor shysters to do bad things