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Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by mcmoor on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @10:11PM (#41643013)
This is what makes me troubled regarding medical science. I've heard tons of things about fraud and unreproducible results but new wonder drugs (that actually worked!) are deployed every year.
Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by llamaimperative on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @10:28PM (#41643109)
Clinical trials in general are extremely, extremely above board. The level of scrutiny is extreme, and the stakes are unbelievably high for pharma companies and the individuals involved. There are better ways for an unscrupulous pharma co to gain an edge.

That said, wonder drugs are few and far between. The GLPs are at least a once-in-a-decade breakthrough, so that’s probably most of the noise you’re hearing (there are a lot of brand names already).

Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by jtc331 on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @10:41PM (#41643200)
What about Vioxx?
Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by llamaimperative on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @10:51PM (#41643251)
> in general

No one is under the illusion it’s perfect or ungameable. A drug slipping by every few years is bad and often tragic, but IMO nowhere close to indicative of a systematic problem. It is a system that is worthy of a high degree of trust.

Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by jackcosgrove on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @08:04AM (#41646409)
I'm unfamiliar with Vioxx and whether its approval really was a result of mistakes.

Shouldn't we expect some small percentage of failures in these processes given that they are driven by statistics and confidence intervals? Is that even a failure of the process, or is it a known limitation given how much resources and time we are willing to allocate to the discovery process?

Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by llamaimperative on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @08:05AM (#41646423)
Yes we should expect some small number of failures and so far I agree, I don’t see evidence of a problem that needs fixing.

As patio11 says, the correct amount of fraud in a financial system is not zero, and the correct amount of false positives in drug approvals is not zero.

Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by consteval on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @09:11AM (#41647105)
> Shouldn't we expect some small percentage of failures

Yes, and this is really solved at a more local level. Doctors aren't prescribing new drugs like candy. They, too, are skeptical of their success and will reserve those prescriptions for the most desperate cases. Over years, we (and the doctors) learn how effective these drugs are and what potential side effects they have.

Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by refurb on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @06:45AM (#41645879)
Voixx was an unknown unknown problem.

Cardiovascular safety was tested in the original trial. It passed. Nothing in the data during development suggested it was an issue. But trials can’t detect everything.

It wasn’t until it got to market did a safety signal pop up. Then retrospective analyses of large data sets proved it.

Re:Why Most Published Research Findings Are False by wredue on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @10:14AM (#41647790)
You’re hearing loads about fraud because the anti-intellectual bots are here to make sure you hear about them all the time.

Republicans and Russian bots WANT you to hate science and academia and they have frequent pushes across social media platforms to make sure you do.