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Re:WP Engine sent "cease and desist" letter to Automattic by tptacek on Monday September 23, 2024 @11:32PM (#41632900)
"Abuse of position" is not generally an actionable claim.
Re:WP Engine sent "cease and desist" letter to Automattic by uudecoded on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @12:43AM (#41633152)
Generally, but also especially when the position is "WordPress".
Re:WP Engine sent "cease and desist" letter to Automattic by eastbound on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @12:56AM (#41633193)
Yes, but being the editor of the software used by your competitor is certainly funny.
Re:WP Engine sent "cease and desist" letter to Automattic by sfmike on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @01:37AM (#41633389)
just for monopolies right? And for hosting online and software that does it(two verticals of wordpress) there are hoardes of options.
Re:WP Engine sent "cease and desist" letter to Automattic by Terr_ on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @01:57AM (#41633486)
> just for monopolies right?

I suspect that's still not actionable in the way the parent poster means, since AFAICT there no private right of action: You can't sue, only petition some government agency to bring their own lawsuit.

Re:WP Engine sent "cease and desist" letter to Automattic by throwup238 on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @02:57AM (#41633783)
US antitrust laws grant private rights of action for monetary damages and injuctive relief. They’re unlikely to apply to Automattic/Wordpress though.

(Most other governments don’t grant these rights though)

Re:WP Engine sent "cease and desist" letter to Automattic by DannyBee on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @01:25PM (#41638864)
Unfair competition is, particularly in California, which interprets it's UCL very broadly.

Let's set aside all other claims (there are others), and take a look at "Unlawful, Unfair, and Fraudulent Business Acts" under that.

We'll also throw out unlawful business acts (I don't see anything unlawful so far).

Unfair: "An “unfair” business act or practice, as defined by the UCL, is typically committed by either a company or a business competitor. ... In the context of a business competitor, it is considered an unfair business act when the company does something that broadly undermines competition in the marketplace."

Additionally, they consider " immoral, unethical, oppressive, and unscrupulous" business acts to be unfair.

Banners on wp engine sites probably not a good thing under this. Threatening your competitors with bad keynotes unless they pay you, also probably not a great practice.

(I do think you'd be fine to say they suck. I just don't think you can get away with basically extorting them)

Fraudulent: "The UCL also prohibits “fraudulent” business acts or practices, which means any conduct that misleads or deceives consumers."

Note that it does not have to be defamation, or malice, or illegal. Just misleading or deceptive. More exactly, it does not have the elements of common law fraud - Intent is not a requirement, and negligence can be a violation.

So pure opinions without intent or with negligent intent that actually deceive consumers, while not defamation or common law fraud, are quite possibly a fraudulent business practice.

Overall, I think they have a stronger case than you might. Not on defamation, but on other things.

Regardless of the outcome, the approach i see taken by the Automattic CEO here seems remarkably stupid.

Don't mix your roles unless you want a court to mix your roles.

When he threatens to ban them from wordcamp[1] in what capacity is he doing it in?

1. Which, btw, the central website totally avoids mentioning who is in charge or paying overall anywhere i can find. I hope it's not the foundation (or him or automattic) and he's not mixing roles further while threatening his competitors.

Re:WP Engine sent "cease and desist" letter to Automattic by tptacek on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @03:17PM (#41639922)
I'm just happy to have successfully baited you into commenting. You're obviously more authoritative than I am on this.
Re:WP Engine sent "cease and desist" letter to Automattic by dpifke on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @08:08PM (#41642317)
Piling on re: mixing roles: I read "abuse of position" in the GP comment as "conflict of interest," which is potentially problematic for a board member of a non-profit.

I can't speak to the veracity of the facts presented in WP Engine's C&D letter, but my reading of it is they're accusing the head of the WordPress Foundation, in his official capacity, of putting the interests of his for-profit company ahead of the non-profit's stated mission. That's the sort of thing that could threaten the foundation's 501(c)3 status, or in extreme cases lead to criminal charges.