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Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by stevenwoo on Monday September 23, 2024 @05:15PM (#41630638)
Did you get your physics education in high school or university? I only had to take one physics class in the USA at college for my major, quantum electrodynamics for electrical engineering but my professor wrote the textbook and I recall he went over each experiment starting from the fundamentals of our understanding of the basics of the atom, Newton's understanding of light at the time, double slit experiment, to Maxwell's equations, the Michelson Morley ether experiment, to deriving then proving experimentally proving general relativity and decomposing GR into Newtonian physics/other laws of electromagnetism, I am still in awe at the people just figuring this stuff out from first principles.

Anyways, I haven't read this (have it on hold at my library) but someone recommended this book on reddit How to Make an Apple Pie from Scratch: In Search of the Recipe for Our Universe, from the Origins of Atoms to the Big Bang https://www.publishersweekly.com/9780385545655

Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by augustusseizure on Monday September 23, 2024 @06:55PM (#41631454)
What’s the name of that textbook? It sounds really interesting.

Isaac Asimov wrote a couple books that follow the narrative of science from the beginnings up until the 80s or so, which I highly recommend. One is called Atom and is more focused on how we got to our “present” understanding of particles. There’s also one that takes a broader view, it’s something like History of Science (? not at my bookshelf right now).

There’s several books in this genre for math as well. IMO it’s a much better structure for pedagogy since we can piggy back the education on our natural wiring to care about narrative and mystery/puzzles.

Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by ghastmaster on Monday September 23, 2024 @09:43PM (#41632354)
You're referring to The History of Physics. An excellent read for a budding mind.

Asimov was incredibly talented.

Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by owyn on Monday September 23, 2024 @10:54PM (#41632703)
I was looking at my parent's bookshelf and saw a book on Shakespeare and I recognized the author's name: Asimov!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asimov's_Guide_to_Shakespeare

It's like 800 pages, I haven't read it but I think I'll keep that one. Seems like it might be hard to find another physical copy. He was definitely prolific on a number of topics.

Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by lIl-IIIl on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @03:37AM (#41634072)
Not surprising!

"Asimov was so prolific and diverse in his writing that his books span all major categories of the Dewey Decimal Classification except for category 100, philosophy and psychology" - from his Wikipedia page.

Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by dotancohen on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @08:26AM (#41635758)
He was also incredibly talented in phrasing ideas so that they stick in the reader's mind. I am right now sitting next to a dog Asimov named after him.
Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by hammock on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @09:34AM (#41636295)
Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by lIl-IIIl on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @03:38AM (#41634089)
His book "Understanding Physics" is amazing. Similar in spirit to Petzold's "Code" that is often praised on HN.
Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by albrewer on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @10:30AM (#41636839)
There's a youtube channel called "Kathy Loves Physics & History"[0] that goes over all these things in video form.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/@Kathy_Loves_Physics

Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by bookofjoe on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @11:13AM (#41637403)
Also, George Gamow's work is exemplary in making complex ideas understandable.

See, for example:

>One, Two, Three... Infinity: Facts and Speculations of Science (1947)

https://www.amazon.com/One-Two-Three-Infinity-Speculations/d...

PDF: https://archive.org/details/OneTwoThreeInfinity_158

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>Thirty Years that Shook Physics: The Story of Quantum Theory (1966)

https://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Years-that-Shook-Physics/dp/04...

PDF: https://archive.org/details/ThirtyYearsThatShookPhysics-TheB...

Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by layer8 on Monday September 23, 2024 @05:40PM (#41630898)
> experimentally proving general relativity

Can you elaborate on that? What experiments did the professor perform?

Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by stevenwoo on Monday September 23, 2024 @09:25PM (#41632269)
I mis wrote, he talked about the experiments done to verify general and special relativity. Michelson-Morley was one of them that sticks in my mind along with some traveling atomic clocks. We never recreated the experiments like some of the other commenters did in their classes.
Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by ddfs123 on Monday September 23, 2024 @09:16PM (#41632206)
That was my Physics too, but Chemistry just completely glanced over the history. Same thing with Mathematics, no backstory of mathematicians. I guess that either 1. Physics History is short enough, well-recorded, or 2. Physicists really like teaching their history.
Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by SJC_Hacker on Monday September 23, 2024 @11:24PM (#41632863)
Physicists seem to be always seeking a deeper understanding of everything, more so than other fields like biology and sometimes chemistry, who have a tendency to get bogged down into to the idiosyncrasies of particular phenomena.
Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by shepherdjerred on Monday September 23, 2024 @11:35PM (#41632920)
MIT has an excellent chem course on YouTube that goes into the history
Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday September 23, 2024 @11:22PM (#41632853)
Yeah, in retrospect I think this aligns with my experience. But I'd even say that with the famous physics experiments I still remember often thinking "How did they get such precision with such primitive instruments?" I mean they would explain the experiments in very basic/schematic terms, but would have been nice to actually replicate I've to truly understand how it worked.
Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by DonaldFisk on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @11:31AM (#41637624)
> to deriving then proving experimentally proving general relativity and decomposing GR into Newtonian physics/other laws of electromagnetism

Do you mean Special Relativity, which covers classical mechanics and electromagnetism? General Relativity covers gravitation and cosmology without electromagnetism (though Kaluza and later Klein devised a theory unifying gravity and electromagnetism by adding an fifth dimension to General Relativity, which can then be decomposed into 4-dimensional GR and Maxwell's equations).

Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by knodi123 on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @11:49AM (#41637859)
you only had to take one physics class, and it was quantum electrodynamics??? That sounds to me as if someone said "The only math class I've taken was differential equations."
Re:In 1870, Lord Rayleigh used oil and water to calculate th... by stevenwoo on Friday October 04, 2024 @10:35AM (#41741863)
I think I placed out of the physics prerequisites (everyone was expected to have some physics in high school and we went over that and more in a mechanical engineering statics/dynamics/fluids class we all took at the same time) and QED was a standard first semester sophomore year class in the electrical engineering curriculum, the professor made it a lot of fun though every class I remember him deriving equations for thirty minutes on the overhead projector as he explained things, and it was the largest class I had with fellow electrical engineering majors, there was an advanced calculus/diff eq class and linear algebra class during our freshman year.