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Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by pjc50 on Sunday September 22, 2024 @06:04AM (#41616005)
The US equivalent is much less labour intensive than a lynch mob: it's mass shooters radicalized by things they've read on the internet.

Or https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/nx-s1-5114047/springfield-ohi... , where repeating racial libel causes a public safety problem.

While this kind of incitement in no way requires AI, it's certainly something that's easier to do when you can fake evidence. See also https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y87l6rx5wo

Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by psychlops on Sunday September 22, 2024 @08:05AM (#41616475)
The internet isn't always the bogeyman, the last assassin was radicalized by mass media.
Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by fragmede on Sunday September 22, 2024 @06:28AM (#41616080)
https://apnews.com/article/ai-maryland-principal-voice-recor...

In the US, freedom of speech means the government won't stifle you, but the court of public opinion will crucify you for saying the wrong thing. In the linked case, a school principal was framed for being a racist, a fire able offense. Better than being killed by religious extremists, I suppose, but still not great. Thankfully in this case they were able to find the perpetrator who faked evidence, but we have a problem.

Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by jokethrowaway on Sunday September 22, 2024 @09:09AM (#41616797)
Yes, but after the invention of radio and television we already enabled mass indoctrination and mass brainwashing. The internet is more refined but the same principle.

The solution is not to ban technology (it's impossible), but to create a more decentralised society where the majority of voters, which is easily brainwashed, doesn't get to dictate the life of the minority. We need to destroy and dismantle all the gigantic entities that ruin our life for the advantage of the few, whether they are the government or corporations ruled by billionaires controlling the government.

We also need to create a better society with less mental illness, where people are not depressed by how unfair life is that they go on and kill kids in school - but I believe if we reduce large societal inequality this will sort itself out over time.

Parents in my circle are already banning social medias for their kids until they're adults - so over time we'll evolve to get better at ignoring all the crap we get exposed to.

Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by datavirtue on Sunday September 22, 2024 @10:49AM (#41617465)
People don't shoot up crowds because of something they read on the internet. They do it because they are done with life. Everything after that is retrospective reasoning.
Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by pjc50 on Monday September 23, 2024 @04:40AM (#41623806)
Some of them (e.g. Breivik) write manifestoes in which they list all the stuff they read on the internet that motivated them.
Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by datavirtue on Tuesday September 24, 2024 @08:38PM (#41642471)
Swap it out for books or tracts or magazines, then.
Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by johnnyanmac on Monday September 23, 2024 @02:31PM (#41629117)
It's no one factor, and I'm sure internet contributes. Especially if you feel isolated in the physical world.
Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by rustcleaner on Sunday September 22, 2024 @01:24PM (#41618468)
>radicalized by things they've read on the internet

That take pretty much throws the shooters' preceding years of anguish under the bus to make a political score. "Ban the wrongspeech!" is a seductively easier proposition than ending youth bullying and ostracism.

Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by pjc50 on Monday September 23, 2024 @04:38AM (#41623795)
Quite a few (not all, but the more famous ones) write manifestoes in which they describe how they were radicalized, cite other manifestoes and mainstream racist commentators who inspired them, along with Adolf Hitler, and make it very clear what their motives are.

> youth bullying and ostracism

... which itself counts as free speech?

A lot of people get bullied in a lot of countries. Few of them turn to mass murder. The mass shooter phenomenon is mostly America, plus a few people who've been radicalized by the same racist discourse on the same message boards (Anders Brevik, NZ mosque shooter).

In quite a lot of cases closer investigation suggests that they were ostracized precisely because they'd already chosen hate.

Re:Jeff Geerling – They stole my voice with AI by johnnyanmac on Monday September 23, 2024 @02:30PM (#41629104)
Free speech doesn't protect against libel/slander. It also doesn't protect against speech that induces violence or panic (the old "yell fire in a theater") And I argue impersonating celebrity voices to radicalize others falls under the latter.

So yeah, I would call this "wrongspeech" and wrongspeech is already banned.