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Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday September 21, 2024 @03:34AM (#41608234)
> Why waste R&D on a dead end?

"There were an estimated 20 million horses in March 1915 in the United States" [1]. In 2023? Almost 7 million.

Internal combustion engines will be around for a long time, in part because they're beautiful.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_in_the_United_States#St...

[2] https://www.ppfas.com/pdf-docs/b-finance/cigar-butt.pdf

Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by 082349872349872 on Saturday September 21, 2024 @04:35AM (#41608508)
Pedantry: they aren't the same horses, though: in 1915 they were mostly draft horses, with a few sport/pleasure; in 2023 they're mostly sport/pleasure, with a few draft.
Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by ManuelKiessling on Saturday September 21, 2024 @05:00AM (#41608610)
Porsche engines are clearly sport/pleasure engines, not draft engines.
Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by 082349872349872 on Saturday September 21, 2024 @05:09AM (#41608652)
True; looks like their last tractor was over 50 years ago.

Other marques are still extant:

https://www.ferraritractor.com

https://www.lamborghini-tractors.com/en-eu/

Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by Tade0 on Saturday September 21, 2024 @04:59AM (#41608605)
In the meantime the human population quadrupled, so the actual demand for horses is not half, but closer to 1/8 of what it was.

They'll go the way of horses in the sense that you'll be hardly seeing any in cities.

Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by GavinMcG on Saturday September 21, 2024 @05:13AM (#41608662)
You seem to be using “actual” in a way that suggests proportion to population is a key part of the definition. But although a company that served a market for 20 million might well have failed as the market shrank, it also had the opportunity to survive and continue serving an actual market with an actual demand for 7 million actual horses.
Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by 082349872349872 on Saturday September 21, 2024 @05:30AM (#41608738)
Hermès' original market for tack (harnesses and bridles for driving) shrank considerably, but they've found new markets since.

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-IKeRyRAg

Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by lostlogin on Saturday September 21, 2024 @05:00AM (#41608607)
Something that surprised me: the German army in WW2 was mainly horse drawn.

According to the below link, 80% of its transport was via horse.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-wwii-german-army-was-80-ho...

Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by 082349872349872 on Saturday September 21, 2024 @05:26AM (#41608726)
I believe this has a lot to do with the failure of the Maginot line: it had been constructed to slow down an army with horse-drawn logistics (after all, germany had no oil) but the germans did their end run with mechanised units (having researched synfuels in the meantime).

From 1940 to 1943, one can readily explain Axis strategy as an insatiable quest for more oil: no barrels, no Blitz.

EDIT: Lagniappe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Medicine_Crow#World_War_II

Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by jabl on Saturday September 21, 2024 @06:08AM (#41608896)
Reflecting the interwar German society more broadly; agricultural mechanization was decades behind the US and UK.

The industrial and economic "miracle" of the pre war Nazi regime wasn't spent on tractors either, but on weapons.

Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by AlecSchueler on Saturday September 21, 2024 @05:04AM (#41608630)
Were horses ever actively restricted by governments around the world or did we move away from them because better solutions were available?
Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by tonyedgecombe on Saturday September 21, 2024 @06:28AM (#41608992)
They were causing environmental problems, cities were clogged up with horse shit. I don't know whether that influenced the transition though.
Re:Porsche's Idea for a Six-Stroke Internal Combustion Engin... by AlecSchueler on Saturday September 28, 2024 @02:03PM (#41681905)
The question was only if there was ever regulatory action taken to limit the use of horses the way we are seeing in relation to internal combustion engines.