I don't agree at all. You're describing a trade school. A university does not care if you get a job. They only care that they've satisfied your academic interests enough to stay in the profession or continue your education. They offer extra services to help you find a job but it's completely voluntary so I don't equate extra motivation with "equipping".

> A university does not care if you get a job.

Many report out this exact statistic. My alma mater claims 90% job placement for STEM grads.

> They offer extra services to help you find a job but it's completely voluntary so I don't equate extra motivation with "equipping".

They go out of their way to offer these services, but of course it all boils down to personal motivation. They hand students a tool and show them how it's used. That's my definition of "equipped."

And, at the risk of being totally cynical, they report out this statistic, care if you are successful in a noteworthy way, and make big contributions over time. (And may even care a bit if you are successful in an abstract sense.)

This.

It’s weird that people equate Computer Science to Software Engineering. TOTALLY different!

In fact, you could argue that you could do compsci bachelors and at the end come out knowing everything theoretically but not know how to actually code well. Compare this to a software engineer undergrad - the whole time you should be coding!

I'm not sure about your #2. Self-promotion is not necessary at university, since the profs receive mandatory submissions. Very different from a job search, putting yourself and your paperwork "out there" in a targeted way.

Replace „to find“ with „to be accepted“. There is still a lot of (stupid) company rules about hiring only people with an advanced degree.

I agree about classwork, but I think many universities put a lot of effort into placing their students. Job fairs, resume classes, internships, student research, etc.

Personally, I suck at self promotion. The career aids offered by my school made a world of difference.

Outside of internships, everything else is opt in.

Of course. Wait, you had required internships?

Some schools do have co-op programs of various sorts. But they're generally opt-in with various degrees of optionality.

Actually a university does neither. A university's job is to expose you to higher order thinking, and different ways of thinking. The rest is up to you.

Obviously it comes down to the motivation of the student, but that does not mean university does not impact your employability, particularly in your early 20s. Documented exposure to higher order thinking is an employable skill.

Agreed, but the OP's claim wasn't whether a university degree is needed for employment, the claim was whether a university trains you for a job. The answer to the latter is a no. Community colleges and trade schools train you for a job. Universities give you an education in a subject area, the rest is up to you.

My claim was that university "equips you to find a job" not "trains you for a job." I view that as an important distinction!