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Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by alt227 on Friday September 13, 2024 @04:27AM (#41529162)
This is not about gender or sex. This is about any person creating damage for their future selves online. Whether you like it or not, people running businesses and hiring people, or school teachers etc, have opinions and views of their own. These factor into their decisions when they are interacting with you through daily life.

If somebody who takes a dim view of promiscuity sees that you have an only fans account, they are going to immediately have bias in any decisions that involve you. This is just a fact of life, and nothing to do with the gross reduction of 'women needing to be pure'.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by habinero on Friday September 13, 2024 @04:42AM (#41529257)
That's true for every part of the human experience. People discriminate because of religion, etc. Sounds like you care too much about what other people think of you.

Anyways, my point is this sort of thing is rapidly becoming something nobody cares about, and that's due to feminism and it's a good thing.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by benterix on Friday September 13, 2024 @05:00AM (#41529381)
While I somewhat agree with you, feminism and related ideologies created a whole new network of concepts of what is good and wrong, and these can bite you as much as the old prejudices. A good example is the Harry Potter lady: while I don't necessarily agree with her view, I do understand her concern and the right to express it - but for many people it's a criminal offense. Almost as if we replaced one cage with another.
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by prmoustache on Friday September 13, 2024 @06:16AM (#41529764)
What are "related ideologies" of feminism?

By all accounts, JK Rowling hasn't suffered any negative consequence of her transphobia, she has even marketed it and is benefiting from it: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ink-Black-Heart-Robert-Galbraith-eb... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Troubled-Blood-Cormoran-Strike-5-eb...

And Harry Potter merchandising and derived works are still selling like pancakes.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by defrost on Friday September 13, 2024 @06:30AM (#41529833)
Troubled Blood isn't marketing transphobia save in the mind of a reviewer with an axe to grind wrt Rowling's public statements.

The wikipedia page outlines the charge that it contains "pernicious anti-trans tropes" and continues:

    Nick Cohen, writing for The Spectator, argued that the transphobia accusations were baseless and slanderous, noting that Dennis Creed is investigated along with a dozen other suspects.

    He also stated that the book does not engage in the politics of women-only spaces and access to gender reassignment treatments.

    Alison Flood, writing for The Guardian, expressed similar views, arguing that people who have not read the book were making wrong assumptions based on a single review.

    Allan Massie, writing for The Scotsman, stated of the character of Creed that "there is no suggestion that he was transgender".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Blood
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by prmoustache on Friday September 13, 2024 @09:14AM (#41530965)
The point is not that these books include transphobia or not, the point is she chose to include transgender characters after all the drama on twitter relating to her likes and accounts she folllowed/supported.

She definitely used all that drama to sell books and benefited from it.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by defrost on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:30PM (#41537268)
> the point is she chose to include transgender characters

Which character in Troubled Blood is transgender? Is there a transgender character in The Ink Black Heart ?

It's not Dennis Creed as I recall from my reading some time past, certainly not Edie Ledwell.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41536875

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by trnetntont on Saturday September 14, 2024 @04:14AM (#41538307)
It's all under the same umbrella.
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by defrost on Saturday September 14, 2024 @04:39AM (#41538410)
Is this non sequitur from a meconium account intended to convey a meaningful response, or is it a baby-bot randomly attaching nonsense to threads to establish a beachhead?
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by meowface on Friday September 13, 2024 @09:40AM (#41531194)
The prime suspect of the novel is a serial killer who cross-dresses. A book written years after she started campaigning near-daily about the threat of trans women. Those media outlets are being very misleading.

The Spectator is a right-wing British newspaper with dozens of anti-trans articles and op-eds. The Scotsman and The Guardian also have very anti-trans skews. (The latter less so, but definitely more anti than pro overall.)

It's fair to say that fearmongering about trans people isn't the central focus of the novel, but she obviously knew exactly what she was doing and why.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by defrost on Friday September 13, 2024 @09:51PM (#41536875)
> The prime suspect of the novel is a serial killer who cross-dresses.

And Barry Humphries is a beloved Australian entertainer who cross dresses. Neither are transgender.

Further, the prime suspect of the novel, Dennis Creed, is closely based on real life serial killers such as Angus Sinclair, Jerry Brudos, and Russell Williams who all share victim name details and traits with the fictional Creed, such as messing with bodies, fetishism, etc

None of these real life serial killers were trans gender, at least two cross dressed, and there are very few serial killers that lack a pathology.

There appears to be some in the world who will see a crime genre author write about a serial killer and immediately conclude that killer must be trans and some kind of transphobic stereotype.

I'm not one of those people.

FWiW I did vote for Leigh Varis-Beswick as mayor of Kalgoorlie but that was mainly due to her having some good ideas for change and having been a lifelong friend of my sister.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams_(criminal)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brudos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_End_Murders

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/heavy-metal-heaven-20050828...

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by meowface on Thursday September 19, 2024 @01:26AM (#41588792)
None of it would've been a problem if not for her stated, vocal positions long before writing the novel.
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by habinero on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:57AM (#41531827)
If JKR is your worst example of feminism, we're just fine. She's extremely wealthy, popular, and 100% not in jail.
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by mrguyorama on Friday September 13, 2024 @01:04PM (#41533057)
>the right to express it - but for many people it's a criminal offense

No it wasn't. Even in the UK, a supposed hellscape of unfree speech, she only finally got into any trouble when she repeatedly told outright and trivially knowable lies about another person. There's no guarantee she loses that court case either, so she hasn't exactly faced any repercussions for her speech. Companies are still making boatloads of harry potter content and it still sells like hotcakes.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by bigstrat2003 on Friday September 13, 2024 @01:44PM (#41533420)
This is 100% correct. We haven't become more enlightened and tolerant, we have simply exchanged what we don't tolerate. That may or may not be good, but it certainly isn't worth patting ourselves on the back as if we're somehow better than our forebears.
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by graemep on Friday September 13, 2024 @06:50AM (#41529931)
> People discriminate because of religion, etc

Which is illegal in most places.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by habinero on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:00AM (#41531862)
Only for certain protected activities like employment or housing, otherwise it's entirely legal to be a bigot.
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by alt227 on Friday September 13, 2024 @05:05AM (#41529406)
Thats the whole point, that some people view promiscuity and sexualising ones self no differently to smelling bad, or wearing scruffy clothes, or having a negative attitude. Its just another trait which some people view dimly.
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by standardUser on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:51AM (#41531774)
People used to say the same about getting divorced or getting a tattoo or having a child "out of wedlock" (even the terminology sound hopelessly outdated).

Maybe think about which side of history you prefer to be on.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by alt227 on Friday September 13, 2024 @10:58AM (#41531846)
These things you mentioned are all still looked on negatively by some people. My grandma curses 'bastards' and children 'out of wedlock'. People still lose out on jobs for having face and neck tattoos, its in the media regularly.

In exactly the same way as having an OF account, its up to the person doing these things to judge the consequences of whether they are happy with some people in the world looking down on them.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by standardUser on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:02AM (#41531880)
> These things you mentioned are all still looked on negatively by some people.

I don't know anyone who has been denied a job or an opportunity because of those issues. I also don't know anyone who has been denied an opportunity because they made adult content. Does it happen? Absolutley. Is it crippling to the point of ostracization? Not even close.

If anything, being able to filter out people who would look down on those attributes/experiences is increasingly becoming a net positive. I wouldn't wan to associate with someone who disparaged people because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by alt227 on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:11AM (#41531957)
There was a big news story about this happening literally the other day

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/tiktok-tattooed-wom...

> Is it crippling to the point of ostracization?

Nobody is arguing that it is, I think you are taking this a bit too far. All anybody has said is that some people have a dim view of sex work, thats it, and its true. Stop trying to extrapolate and assume further than the point in question.

> being able to filter out people who would look down on those attributes/experiences is increasingly becoming a net positive

And there I was foolishly thinking we were all trying to move to a more tolerant and accepting world. Thats an incrdibly devisive opinion and is the basis for cancel culture. I for one would rather try to understand peoples opionins and discuss it with them rather than to 'filter them out'.

> I wouldn't wan to associate with someone who disparaged people because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos.

Then we are very different people. I will associate with anybody, and try to find the best in them along with some common ground to work on together.

Want a better world? You can only change peoples minds with kindness.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by standardUser on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:16AM (#41532003)
I don't know about you, but my life is too short to associate with troglodytes. Especially when there are so many amazing open-minded, open-hearted weirdos out there I can spend my days with.
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by alt227 on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:29AM (#41532133)
No I dont consider myself so important that I am above interacting with anybody, nor do I think my opinions are better or more correct than anybody elses.

I think even if you were to spend your life just getting to know and educating 1 bigotted person so much so that they change they views just a little, that would be a life well spent.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by standardUser on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:40AM (#41532228)
> nor do I think my opinions are better or more correct than anybody elses.

Well, you should. If you don't, you should work on formulating more correct opinions that you believe in and can defend.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by alt227 on Friday September 13, 2024 @12:29PM (#41532733)
> Well, you should

Thanks for telling me what to do!

> you should work on formulating more correct opinions that you believe in and can defend.

No thanks, Im happy being open minded and willing to have good debates which can change either sides opinion. If you are not open to having your mind changed, you can not call yourself open minded.

Lets not let this devolve any further into a spat about opinion. Im not telling you yours is wrong, you can stop trying to tell me mine is now.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by OkayPhysicist on Friday September 13, 2024 @01:08PM (#41533084)
Why are the bigoted people so important that it's worth wasting a perfectly good life appealing to them?

Fuck em. Progress happens when a new idea achieves enough cultural cache that the expressing the backwards view becomes a fringe belief, worthy of ostracization. 30 years ago, gay marriage was a contentious issue. Today, it's sociopolitical suicide to oppose it. Before that it was women entering the workforce, or desegregation.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by alt227 on Friday September 13, 2024 @02:23PM (#41533746)
Because if everybody had the same attitude as that, this world would be a horrible place to exist.

History judges people on how they treat the people they disagree with.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by k33jf33l2 on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:25AM (#41532090)
> I don't know anyone who has been denied a job or an opportunity because of those issues.

How would they know? I suspect there's some selection bias at play here because it might not be legal to discriminate on this basis.

> (...) because they have a piecing or like to take naked photos.

That's a strawman. The discussion doesn't concern people who "like to take naked photos"; it concerns people who do it for money. Depending on your values, that can be a significant difference.

Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by standardUser on Friday September 13, 2024 @11:52AM (#41532357)
I was being mildly playful with my language, but I mean and intended to mean people who get naked for money. The difference is pretty minimal if you ask me.
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by NineStarPoint on Friday September 13, 2024 @12:33PM (#41532779)
Firing someone for having tattoos or having done sex work is completely legal in almost all US states. Generally speaking, the only things private employers can’t discriminate based on is things intrinsic to who the person is (race, sexuality, non-relevant disability), and religion. Past choices are completely legal to fire someone for, even if it has nothing to do with the job at hand.
Re:Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics by bigstrat2003 on Friday September 13, 2024 @01:42PM (#41533406)
People who are covered in tattoos (not just having a tattoo) and who have children out of wedlock are still widely looked down upon.

And there is very little that is more obnoxiously smug than making "right side of history" claims. If anything, I want to be on the opposite side of people who do that, because they're so fucking self-righteous I can't stand them.