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Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by thih9 on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:16PM (#41493146)
> "all done on device" and on cloud

The real indicator for me is: how many of these features are not available in the EU due to privacy concerns. Do we know that?

Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by bengale on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:21PM (#41493215)
It’s all Apple Intelligence and that’s not coming to the EU currently.
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by akmarinov on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:43PM (#41493530)
They said France next year, so i guess they’re working through it
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by manmal on Monday September 09, 2024 @05:01PM (#41493802)
I think they say French (the language), but that might be for people outside the EU. German is notably missing from their list, though it’s a bigger market for Apple than French.
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by a13n on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:22PM (#41493223)
lots of the US has similar legislation to GDPR at this point, e.g CCPA
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by eptcyka on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:22PM (#41493234)
Privacy concerns? They're just trying to bully the EU. There's no legal or technical reason iOS 18's remote access features wouldn't work in EU, but alas, they do not.
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by daedrdev on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:30PM (#41493366)
Its straight up unclear what compliance means in the EU, by design as they literally decided to figure out what the law they already passed later
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by JumpCrisscross on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:24PM (#41493262)
> no legal or technical reason iOS 18's remote access features wouldn't work in EU

How do you know that? (How much of your net worth are you willing to bet on it?)

Between GDPR, the DMA and now the AI Act, there is a lot of unique regulatory cross section that Apple has in the EU. It would be surprising if there weren't additional legal checks it had to do, internally and on its suppliers, before launching a product or feature in the EU.

Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by eptcyka on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:44PM (#41493554)
Because the same exact tech, remote desktop access on macOS, has been working fine for years. That's how I know this has nothing to do with DMA, GDPR and the AI act. Yes, there might be AI features that are gatekept due to DMA and GDPR, cool, that is kind of understandable. But they also threw a hissy fit and excluded the EU from having lots of unrelated functionality. Or, maybe, they're really doing something horribly wrong if they can't be in compliance with GDPR when sharing a screen of your phone on your macbook.
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by runako on Monday September 09, 2024 @05:54PM (#41494435)
DMA allows EU regulators to designate certain platforms as gatekeepers. Platforms that are designated gatekeepers are subject to different requirements under EU law than those that are not designated gatekeepers. The EU designated iOS as a gatekeeper[1], but did not do the same for MacOS.

So while you are correct that there is no technical barrier, you are incorrect that they are the same under EU regulation. Involving EU regulators in product design for designated gatekeepers was the entire point of the law, so this is the desired effect. Regulators want the flexibility to e.g. work with the gatekeeper to design feature modifications, like the default browser selection screen[2], for other aspects of designated gatekeeper platforms.

One can choose to see this as good or bad, but this is clearly the intent of the law.

1 - https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_...

2 - https://developer.apple.com/support/browser-choice-screen/#:....

Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by JumpCrisscross on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:46PM (#41493581)
> the same exact tech, remote desktop access on macOS, has been working fine for years. That's how I know this has nothing to do with DMA

Apple just got dinged under the DMA [1][2]. The text of the law may not have changed, but the reality of its meaning has.

> they're really doing something horribly wrong if they can't be in compliance with GDPR

The point is verifying you are in compliance with a law has costs. Plenty of start-ups, for instance, are better off geoblocking jurisdictions they don't have the resources to comply with but don't want to accidentally do something illegal in. Not because they think they're violating anything. But because it isn't worth losing (a) nimbleness over or (b) future access to. (Common ones being the EU, China and India.) Apple isn't a start-up. But they probably don't want their design team to be half staffed with lawyers either.

[1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/01/apple-announces-chang...

[2] https://www.beuc.eu/sites/default/files/publications/BEUC-X-...

Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by eptcyka on Wednesday September 11, 2024 @04:10AM (#41509186)
The document you are referencing has no mention of remote access to a phone. The fact that apple chooses to gatekeep unrelated features and seemingly cites EU regulation to explain this behavior is just absurd. And the amount of people coming to their defense is equally absurd. Have you even understood my main gripe? If Apple feels it is unable to comply with EU regulations with apple intelligence, I can understand that given the amount of raw data that is required to deliver the current generation of AI products. But to then turn around and cite the same regulation when it comes to features that are completely unrelated to data gobbling is mindblowingly stupid, and to me, definitely feels like a tactic to gaslight the consumers in the EU, to try and turn them against this legislation.
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by scarface_74 on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:48PM (#41493608)
The Mac is not classified as a “gatekeeper”
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by DidYaWipe on Monday September 09, 2024 @05:00PM (#41493781)
Nor should Apple be. Apple is a gatekeeper to one thing: its own app store. That's why lumping Apple in with the rest of "big tech" is ignorant.
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by fundad on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:42PM (#41493520)
I don't even think it's a question anymore, they opted out of new features on non-European handsets. Gemini is probably already on Nokia phones for all we know.
Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by JumpCrisscross on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:23PM (#41493246)
> real indicator for me is: how many of these features are not available in the EU due to privacy concerns

Lawyers and lobbyists are still getting their heads around the EU's AI Act [1].

[1] https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/high-level-summary/

Re:Apple iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max by jcz_nz on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:45PM (#41493559)
EU ruled that Apple cannot link components. This suggests that Apple would need to provide API’s to allow competitors to be listed alongside the “Apple AI”, or any device to enable screen remote control (ala remote iPhone control). If you’re a dev, you might appreciate why that is an absolute PIA from a software perspective. Since they want to bring these features to market ASAP, launching now and foregoing the EU is a sensible step. Huxley sends his regards, really.