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Re:The "email is authentication" pattern by aucisson_masque on Saturday September 07, 2024 @07:05PM (#41476986)
> Government provided digital IDs

Oh man, that sounds like a terrible idea privacy wise. Every website would make use of it to track it's user.

Re:The "email is authentication" pattern by eaglemfo on Saturday September 07, 2024 @07:29PM (#41477084)
The german gov ids actually have a way to issue pseudonymous tokens where websites can only see that you are the same person as last time. You can't make 2 accounts on the same site if sich things are unwanted. You can't link accounts across providers.

How it works under the hood? No specific idea. I wonder if its sound.

Re:The "email is authentication" pattern by rangestransform on Saturday September 07, 2024 @09:24PM (#41477535)
The problem is the government can then definitively associate all your accounts with your real identity
Re:The "email is authentication" pattern by noAnswer on Saturday September 07, 2024 @09:47PM (#41477614)
How does the government know which token a ID card generated? The ID card itself generates (for each service a different one) and encrypts it. Not even the card reader can read it. It is a encrypted channel between the card and the ID-server for the site/service. The pseudonym function does not identify a person but a card.
Re:The "email is authentication" pattern by jack_pp on Saturday September 07, 2024 @10:35PM (#41477813)
If it identifies the card and the govt can identify you by your card then isn't it by definition identifying the person?
Re:The "email is authentication" pattern by noAnswer on Saturday September 07, 2024 @11:13PM (#41477945)
The government doesn't know which card a token from a "pseudonym function" belongs to. The government can identify a person when the ID function was used, of course.

Again, it is a random token the card generates internally for each service. It is non transferable! If you get a new ID card, you can't use it login to whatever you used your old card for. (You would need something else... say an email :-) to tie the knot back to the old identity or whatever.) Which makes this function, the pseudonym function, very bad for random accounts (Edit: meaning longer lasting online identities like forums or whatever). I guess eaglemfo didn't knew.

It's more for like "yes, yes, I'm an adult, now give me this pr0n movie which I pay for with my anonym prepaid card" kind of deals.

Re:The "email is authentication" pattern by pennomi on Saturday September 07, 2024 @07:19PM (#41477053)
I think it makes sense as the master recovery account. Then you use a secondary account for everything else.
Re:The "email is authentication" pattern by taneq on Sunday September 08, 2024 @01:56AM (#41478464)
I read this as tongue-in-cheek at first (since most web sites do their darnedest to track their users, and having a log-on kind of requires this anyway).

A centralized authentication system like this wouldn't need to be a single consistent UUID per person which was then passed around. Presumably you'd have a central login to authenticate you to the system, and then the system could create separate 'id' tokens per web site or whatever that the user logs in to.