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Re:Why Don't Tech Companies Pay Their Engineers to Stay? by yieldcrv on Thursday September 05, 2024 @09:56PM (#41462160)
> It was for other reasons that usually included frustrations with management.

and here I am thinking this was a meme by HR

myself and all my competition leave jobs due to - and for - money. if you're sticking around to stay in graces of your comfortable management you are contributing to the wage gap for your respective gender in the wrong direction.

Re:Why Don't Tech Companies Pay Their Engineers to Stay? by UniverseHacker on Thursday September 05, 2024 @10:09PM (#41462231)
A job with good management and a good work environment is hard to find… that is worth lower pay to a lot of people.

I’m a person with tech skills in academia… myself and most of my coworkers and colleagues could make at least 2x in industry yet we’re still here because we like the job better. I have however lost a lot of colleagues.

Re:Why Don't Tech Companies Pay Their Engineers to Stay? by BirAdam on Thursday September 05, 2024 @11:00PM (#41462517)
I make “okay” pay at a non-profit, and I could make more if I left. However, I would then have more hours, more stress, and less freedom. Why do that?
Re:Why Don't Tech Companies Pay Their Engineers to Stay? by BadHumans on Thursday September 05, 2024 @09:59PM (#41462172)
> if you're sticking around to stay in graces of your comfortable management you are contributing to the wage gap for your respective gender in the wrong direction.

I have no idea why I should care about this.

Re:Why Don't Tech Companies Pay Their Engineers to Stay? by yieldcrv on Thursday September 05, 2024 @10:25PM (#41462322)
privileged take
Re:Why Don't Tech Companies Pay Their Engineers to Stay? by david38 on Thursday September 05, 2024 @11:21PM (#41462599)
No doubt you are disadvantaging your gender by wasting time here and not working two jobs. Or did you somehow think you had the privilege of thinking your income only matters to you and your family?

Amazing how people try to claim righteousness in stupidest of situations.

Re:Why Don't Tech Companies Pay Their Engineers to Stay? by ipaddr on Thursday September 05, 2024 @10:40PM (#41462405)
Wage gap for gender? There are a lot of things in life to fight for. But to fight for a meaningless stat that doesn't take into account pregnancy is probably not the best use of my limited power.
Re:Why Don't Tech Companies Pay Their Engineers to Stay? by wsc981 on Thursday September 05, 2024 @10:14PM (#41462250)
For me it's the same. I'd be ok if management is crappy, but the pay is good. I actually left a company this year, because I was looking for (what I thought) was a very reasonable raise, but the company made negotiations very hard and annoying:

- first meeting with direct manager: I was offered a very meager immediate increase and offered a "personal improvement plan" for proper raise end of the year (I declined - I hate this nonsense and I know I'm already a senior, no need to work towards "senior").

- then 2 times a meeting was planned with the CEO, but CEO wouldn't show up. He stated both times something came up, apparently more important.

When I announced my decision to leave, at that point suddenly more was possible. I could get the raise I wanted, CEO excused himself for his behavior, etc... But at that point, too much harm was done, from my point of view.

I would have stayed easily 1 or 2 more years if the pay was decent and I didn't have to deal with the nonsense for salary negotiations.