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Re:Intel Honesty by eric-hu on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:30PM (#41451064)
> Another way to look at it: Intel market cap is 83B, AMD's market cap is 228B. Do you think Intel is expected to make 1/3 of the money AMD is going to make in coming decades? I see no reason to be as optimistic.

Nit: market cap is not earnings. That's stock price * shares outstanding.

This year's earnings looks like this:

Intel, 3 months ended: Jun 29, 2024

> Net income (loss) (1,654)

https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1704/...

AMD, 3 months ended: June 29, 2024

> Net income (loss) $ 265

https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1209/am...

So Intel lost 1654M and AMD earned 265M. This only makes your point stronger.

Re:Intel Honesty by bluecalm on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @08:54PM (#41452418)
Yeah but market cap is at least in theory about how much money a company is going to make in the future. Not this year, not the next year but decades is already pretty close (because of the discounting).
Re:Intel Honesty by valval on Saturday September 07, 2024 @04:14PM (#41476192)
No it’s not. It has no theoretical relationship with future earnings at all, and even if it did, that theory would be silly.
Re:Intel Honesty by Panzer04 on Thursday September 05, 2024 @02:11AM (#41454024)
Intel's revenue is 54B to AMD 22B. If Intel's CPU division was spun off, I see little reason to believe AMD deserves a 3x premium to that - and you get IFS with Intel as well right now!

Granted, IFS is the millstone hanging around their neck right now, unless they can fix it.

Re:Intel Honesty by bluecalm on Thursday September 05, 2024 @03:15AM (#41454331)
Intel still has 75% of data center market share (for CPUs). I think this is mainly momentum and they will lose most of it in coming years.
Re:Intel Honesty by yvdriess on Thursday September 05, 2024 @07:26AM (#41455541)
To add to that, AMD's has the more lucrative higher-margin part of that market.
Re:Intel Honesty by eric-hu on Thursday September 05, 2024 @02:46PM (#41459406)
Why focus on revenue instead of income? Regardless of what Intel’s revenue is, they’re losing money. AMD is earning.
Re:Intel Honesty by valval on Saturday September 07, 2024 @04:16PM (#41476205)
Losing money for one financial year is not a good enough indicator to draw conclusions.