Re:Intel Honesty
by schmidtleonard on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:21PM
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The purpose of capitalism is to establish, reinforce, and perpetuate a class hierarchy where the people on the bottom must constantly pay to exist while the people on top constantly get paid to exist. This shit isn't a side effect, it's the entire point of the exercise.
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Re:Intel Honesty
by closeparen on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:53PM
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The relevant world-historical political philosophy here is feudalism: land ownership and hereditary relationships to land are paramount, people should mostly stay where they were born, merchant/capitalist/productive sources of wealth and income are a suspicious, threatening upstart that we landowners, the legitimate heirs of political power, must keep in check.
The landowners in this case happen to think of themselves as middle class.
Re:Intel Honesty
by closeparen on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:00PM
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Unfortunately in their rejection of capitalism, the people have mostly decided to do feudalism, i.e. legitimacy comes from land ownership and land tenure. It is even hereditary: heirs get to pay much lower property tax than transplants.
I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on capitalism, but even Marx would agree with me that it's better than feudalism.
Re:Intel Honesty
by schmidtleonard on Thursday September 05, 2024 @04:58PM
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"That's not true capitalism!!!"
Sure dude. Now where have I heard that before?
Re:Intel Honesty
by graymatters on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:33PM
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Spoken like a true Marxist. The purpose of Marxism is to literally kill hundreds of millions of people who oppose the Marxist way. Like they did during the 20th century in the countries where Marxism prevailed (even briefly).
It is not spoken like a true Marxist; they didn't even believe this. Here's Engels saying being a renter is not exploitation:
https://x.com/TheOmniZaddy/status/1559949666543878151
Georgism is better though, and the homeownership market isn't about "capitalism".
Re:Intel Honesty
by schmidtleonard on Thursday September 05, 2024 @06:04PM
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Ah, Georgists. Smart enough to see the problem, but dumb enough to think the people benefiting will help them solve it.
Capitalism gives you opportunities to climb the ladder
Re:Intel Honesty
by angelaguilera on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:43PM
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Capitalism also continuously adds steps to that ladder
Progress should be saying "we don't have to spend so much of our time and effort on the ladder".
Our forefathers would be baffled to see that we've coerced crops into tenfold their natural yield, conquered lightning, the wind, and the sun itself, and yet, millions of people are still working 40+ hours a week to not starve or go homeless.