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Re:Founder Mode by Aurornis on Sunday September 01, 2024 @10:13AM (#41417126)
My first exposure to big company management was, ironically, at a startup. They hired their C-level executives from big companies. Those executives hired VPs and extra layers of management who were also from big companies. Very quickly we had a deep org chart where ICs could be 5 steps removed from the CEO even though they hadn’t decided exactly what product we were going to build.

Everything was done by committee in increments of the 1-hour recurring meeting once a week. You could be on 10 of these recurring meetings for 10 different projects.

The first part of every meeting was a recap of last meeting. The middle part was about 20 minutes of trying to make progress on blocking items while the ex-BigCo managers came up with excuses for why they didn’t do their part yet (usually it was because they had too many meetings). The last 20 minutes was a performative exercise where we decided on action items for the week which we all knew were unlikely to get done.

The company went on like this for years after I left until they ran out of extra funds to keep the charade going. The management scattered to other “startups” where I’ve heard they’re continuing to repeat the same games.

Re:Founder Mode by ldjkfkdsjnv on Sunday September 01, 2024 @11:15AM (#41417644)
Honestly, the people that put in these processes are the smart ones. Useless as they are, they do climb the ladder, get good titles, and good pay.
Re:Founder Mode by aleph_minus_one on Sunday September 01, 2024 @04:49PM (#41420271)
> Honestly, the people that put in these processes are the smart ones.

These people are not the smart ones, but the ones who are really good at doing "company politics" and "playing political games" (which are very different skills from being smart).

My personal opinion is that it is rather a sign of smartness to see through all of this. But unluckily the people who are capable of this lack the political power and backing of other people to get "dangerous" for these "ladder climbers" (or if they do become dangerous, it is for the same reasons easy to "get rid of them" (e.g. fire them)).

Re:Founder Mode by mattgreenrocks on Sunday September 01, 2024 @04:51PM (#41420292)
Smart? I doubt they like doing those things.

If they were actually smart they’d figure out how to set up an employment situation that they don’t mind that also has the pay/status that they want.

Re:Founder Mode by bongodongobob on Sunday September 01, 2024 @06:11PM (#41420842)
You're right. People here will deny it, but who is smarter: someone who attends cushy meetings all week and gets paid millions, or someone who burns themselves out hacking away at code 80 hours a week making $200k a year?

Congrats, you are very smart and know how to manipulate symbols real good. Try cashing that check at the bank.

Re:Founder Mode by ldjkfkdsjnv on Sunday September 01, 2024 @06:47PM (#41421047)
This so much. The hacking and coding doesnt matter, nobody really needs a 10x engineer. Well capitalized startups can just go hire 5 more engineers if they need to. I wish when i was younger i could have just accepted this
Re:Founder Mode by madmask on Monday September 02, 2024 @01:10AM (#41422766)
Do you prefer meetings or solving problems? Pretty sure I’d jump off a bridge after 2 weeks of meetings
Re:Founder Mode by bongodongobob on Monday September 02, 2024 @03:44AM (#41423424)
I'm talking about maximizing my dollar per mental processing unit ratio. I think that's kind of the gist of what being smart is in this thread. Get more money, reduce mental overhead, or both.

"I'm so much smarter than them."

"Well they have a yacht and 3 homes."

Who used their smartness better?

Re:Founder Mode by joacco on Monday September 02, 2024 @05:40PM (#41429019)
Why are you equating being smart with being rich? Those two are not the same
Re:Founder Mode by bongodongobob on Tuesday September 03, 2024 @12:20AM (#41431233)
Because SV bubble devs already in the 1% making a shit ton of money, whining about being smarter than the C levels making 10x their salary is hilarious to me.
Re:Founder Mode by fluorinerocket on Sunday September 01, 2024 @05:16PM (#41420461)
This sounds like my last company.

Was it a new space startup in the Bay area?

Re:Founder Mode by bradneuberg on Monday September 02, 2024 @12:48AM (#41422657)
Interesting, what new space startup was that?
Re:Founder Mode by fluorinerocket on Saturday September 07, 2024 @02:31PM (#41475526)
Astra
Re:Founder Mode by ozim on Sunday September 01, 2024 @05:20PM (#41420492)
I miss „ta-ba-dum-tss” at the end of the story. Yeah they all played us for fools as they don’t have to do any real work and I also seen such folks here and there hired for friends startup…
Re:Founder Mode by jll29 on Sunday September 01, 2024 @05:39PM (#41420616)
The mangagement structure always must reflect the size and the phase(!) of the startup itself.

What you describe sounds like a "founders just came together" trying to impersonate the IBM org chart without having figured out product-market fit yet, or even earlier than that.

Re:Founder Mode by k__ on Monday September 02, 2024 @12:23AM (#41422555)
Hiring is so scary.

If you get the wrong people in the beginning, it can throw you into a wrong trajectory that's almost impossible to correct later.

Re:Founder Mode by wahnfrieden on Monday September 02, 2024 @06:02PM (#41429146)
It's not only getting the right people, it's incentivizing them properly

When hires have no skin in the game besides their wage (which they're legally bound to receive until terminated, regardless of business outcomes), and have minimal material share in success, they are going to play different games to preserve that wage

If you want people to act like partners in the business, make them partners